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Old 12-30-2011, 09:44 AM
 
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So... you're admitting that government-run health care is NOT an improvement. Thank you!
Of course I'm not.

The entire Western industrialized World has universal, government run health care and it's NEVER yanked from the citizens.

You are totally clueless.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Of course I'm not.

The entire Western industrialized World has universal, government run health care and it's NEVER yanked from the citizens.

You are totally clueless.
Until the austerity measures get enacted.
Just give it time.

Spending more than you have is taking down countries, one at a time.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:47 AM
 
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democrats don't "love class warfare" we just want everybody to pay their fair share of taxes, even the big corporations. we also believe in helping others who are down. I would ask why does the republican party want to allow big biz to continue to not pay their fair share and why they feel so burdened by helping the poor
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Actually it's going to be better than sliced bread.
You don't have to get insurance and pay any premiums until you get sick and need it. There is no waiting period or pre-existing clause.That is a big plus to anyone who has been paying high premiums.
But then you're vulnerable to whatever the government decides to unilaterally cut, much like these poor Blacks and Hispanics that Obamacare stiffed...

Letters to the US Senate from the NAACP and LULAC (League of United Latin American Citizens)

(MA = Medicare Advantage):

NAACP: "MA plans — private health plan options that provide coverage to 8.3 million Medicare beneficiaries — disproportionately provide coverage to low-income and racial and ethnic minority beneficiaries. Specifically, 40 percent of African Americans without Medicaid or employer coverage rely on comprehensive health insurance coverage provided by MA plans. By providing more comprehensive benefits and lower cost-sharing than traditional Medicare, MA plans help racial and ethnic minority populations gain access to health care services that are critical to their long-term health and well-being."

"Medicare Advantage is vital to the well-being of Hispanic Medicare beneficiaries. According to a 2005 study by Ken Thorpe, Ph.D., [Page: S3671]
of Emory University, Hispanics rely disproportionately on the Medicare Advantage program.
...We are concerned that additional cuts in funding for Medicare Advantage will threaten access to comprehensive benefits, result in higher out-of-pocket health care costs, and create financial barriers to care that will be particularly harmful for Hispanic seniors."

Record of NAACP and LULAC signed letters submitted to the US Senate:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2007-03-23/pdf/CREC-2007-03-23-pt1-PgS3659-7.pdf
pages S3670-S3671
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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Until the austerity measures get enacted.
Just give it time.
It's been like this for Decades. Don't project US right wing stupidity on other Nations.

Could they cut the benefits during an economic downturn? Sure.

But why would they abandon a system that delivers higher rated healthcare at 2/3rds the cost?

And since their healthcare is LESS COSTLY than the USA why would they be MORE effected during downturns than the USA?
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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democrats don't "love class warfare" we just want everybody to pay their fair share of taxes
What do you think a "fair share" is?

Serious question.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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democrats don't "love class warfare" we just want everybody to pay their fair share of taxes, even the big corporations. we also believe in helping others who are down. I would ask why does the republican party want to allow big biz to continue to not pay their fair share and why they feel so burdened by helping the poor
So the big corporations and their lack of paying taxes has everything to do with the common person how? It is basically the lawmakers and corrupt politicians allowing these tax loop holes to exist so they can conveniently profit from them.

Conservatives obviously want to help the person who is down since they donate more to charity every year and don't expect the government to do so. As it has been said in the past "poor people have been voting for the Democrats for a long time, and they are still poor". I would say that the corporation that makes money has more of a benefit to employing people and helping people invest for their retirement than the government just handing out money.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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I don't get why this keeps coming up as class warfare. We got major problems that need to be addressed. EVERYTHING should be on the table and should be talked about openly. I forget where I saw it but the debt crisis basically comes down to 3 parts...taxes, entitlements, and defense spending. By not looking at ALL of them, you risk affecting one section proportionally more than the other. As President Obama said, it's simply math. We need to get the numbers to add up. Our tax laws are riddled with loopholes and disproportionate rates. Why would you not want to fix that?
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It's been like this for Decades. Don't project US right wing stupidity on other Nations.

Could they cut the benefits during an economic downturn? Sure.

But why would they abandon a system that delivers higher rated healthcare at 2/3rds the cost?

And since their healthcare is LESS COSTLY than the USA why would they be MORE effected during downturns than the USA?
Lack of revenue comes to mind as an answer.
Greece, Italy and Spain all are enacting stiffer austerity measures and no stone is being left unturned when it comes to cuts. It's mandated as part of their bailout packages.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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I don't get why this keeps coming up as class warfare. We got major problems that need to be addressed. EVERYTHING should be on the table and should be talked about openly. I forget where I saw it but the debt crisis basically comes down to 3 parts...taxes, entitlements, and defense spending. By not looking at ALL of them, you risk affecting one section proportionally more than the other. As President Obama said, it's simply math. We need to get the numbers to add up. Our tax laws are riddled with loopholes and disproportionate rates. Why would you not want to fix that?
Yes. The disproportionate tax rates should be fixed.
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