Do you Take Conservatives Serious When They Rave About Freedoms? (Limbaugh, arsenal)
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I think it is a good question. The right is not really about freedom. What about two gay muslims that want to get married and adopt a child? Separation of church and state? The ability to have an athiest convention in the city hall? I doubt it. The right is at least as into social control as the left.
Look, let's just lay the cards out on the table and admit it. The right is pro-liberty and the left is pro-social control. It's nothing to be embarrassed about; it's just fact, like saying that Ichiro was a singles hitter and Ken Griffey was a home run hitter. May the best man win.
Are you sure about that? Why do so many on the right advocate legislating morality? And passing laws to dictate people's personal lives? To claim the right is "pro-liberty" is laughable. I can only start to take conservatives seriously once they kick the religious right and social conservative elements to the curb.
Are you sure about that? Why do so many on the right advocate legislating morality? And passing laws to dictate people's personal lives? To claim the right is "pro-liberty" is laughable. I can only start to take conservatives seriously once they kick the religious right and social conservative elements to the curb.
Conservatives are phonies.
That's easy to see in their posts.
It's good not to take their rants about freedom seriously. Just let them be the sucka$$es they are and cling to their guns and bibles and believe they are free.
I don't. Most of them don't have a clue about what's happening in the world around them.
When the president signed into law allowing the military to arrest people (even Americans) on suspicion of terrorism and can keep them indefinitely without official charges or trial...how did conservatives react?
Same goes for SOPA. Or accepting the official version of 9/11.
Generally, the conservatives are sucka$$es. Like obedient robots they conform and do as they are told. That's another reason why they despise OWS. The conservatives despise anyone who doesn't march along in step with conformism.
So let the conservatives wave their flags and blather their empty slogans, blah, blah, blah...it's just the air rushing between their ears.
There is only one person speaking the truth in American politics. Unfortunately the masses don't want to hear it.
I don't. Most of them don't have a clue about what's happening in the world around them.
When the president signed into law allowing the military to arrest people (even Americans) on suspicion of terrorism and can keep them indefinitely without official charges or trial...how did conservatives react?
Same goes for SOPA. Or accepting the official version of 9/11.
Generally, the conservatives are sucka$$es. Like obedient robots they conform and do as they are told. That's another reason why they despise OWS. The conservatives despise anyone who doesn't march along in step with conformism.
So let the conservatives wave their flags and blather their empty slogans, blah, blah, blah...it's just the air rushing between their ears.
I haven't taken a post seriously that came from you, ever. Just hyper partisan sheep babble.
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Originally Posted by TempesT68
Basically the GOP is based completely on hypocrisy.
Really? Because the left hated, and still hates Bush because of:
- Iraq
- Afghanistan
- Tax cuts for the rich
- Gitmo
- patriot act
- wreckless spending
and Obama:
- Just now out of Iraq, way later than he "promised"
- still in Afghanistan
- Now in Libya
- extended Bush tax cuts
- Gitmo still open
- kept the patriot act
- increased the deficit almost as much in 3 years as Bush did in 8
- signed a bill allowing indefinite detention of American citizens suspected of being a terrorist without due process
and yet, not a peep from the left, except every excuse in the world when someone with a "D" by their name does the EXACT SAME THINGS. So who are the hypocrites? BOTH SIDES. Don't for a second think the left is any better.
To answer the title of this thread: No, I don't. I could understand their arguments against "Big Government" better if they didn't enact "Big Government" themselves to take care of the things they think they should rule. They don't like government agencies such as the EPA but many Conservatives wouldn't hesitate to push and finalize legislation that restricts gay marriage or, like in the case of Bachmann and Perry, signing pledges that swear to outlaw pornography. Who, for example, is going to be in charge of tracking down and capturing those "criminals" who still look at pornography? Wouldn't that very thing require an expansion of governmental agencies like the FBI or, *gasp*, the creation of a new government entity whose sole purpose is precisely that?
The main thing I see is that Conservatives don't like the Big Government of the left and the Liberals don't like the Big Government of the right. They both enjoy the benefits of big government, just not when it's restricting their individual agendas.
Personally, I think the right plays a far larger part in its attempts to restrict civil liberties and personal freedoms than the left. The left may not allow you to use a certain primer when you paint your car or will enact legislation to prevent you from doing some of the trivial things in life. The right, it seems to me, would prefer to legislate us on a human level by dictating our morality to us through their obsession with religion. That, to me, is a greater offense of a totalitarian nature than any tax bill or medical reform.
Personally, I think the right plays a far larger part in its attempts to restrict civil liberties and personal freedoms than the left. The left may not allow you to use a certain primer when you paint your car or will enact legislation to prevent you from doing some of the trivial things in life. The right, it seems to me, would prefer to legislate us on a human level by dictating our morality to us through their obsession with religion. That, to me, is a greater offense of a totalitarian nature than any tax bill or medical reform.
Conservative, liberal, both subjective points on a political compass and each one as stupid as the other. Honestly both the OP and a number of the responses are the people who get caught up in labels. Just read what they say, "conservatives do this", "liberals are like this", "my label has all the good qualities of human nature and your label has all the bad qualities of human nature". It is called projection. In an objective sense there is no such thing as a liberal or a conservative, they are all subjective definitions. Therefore when the words are thrown around in a derogatory fashion the subjective definition of them is whatever the person wants it to be in order to satisfy their own egos and give them a feeling of self righteousness. In a way ideological labels are like a psychological drug to some people.
I don't. Most of them don't have a clue about what's happening in the world around them.
When the president signed into law allowing the military to arrest people (even Americans) on suspicion of terrorism and can keep them indefinitely without official charges or trial...how did conservatives react?
Same goes for SOPA. Or accepting the official version of 9/11.
Generally, the conservatives are sucka$$es. Like obedient robots they conform and do as they are told. That's another reason why they despise OWS. The conservatives despise anyone who doesn't march along in step with conformism.
So let the conservatives wave their flags and blather their empty slogans, blah, blah, blah...it's just the air rushing between their ears.
Nope, generally they just care about their freedom, and are willing to spend and break new government ground when in power.
All in the name of security and safety.
Military spending has more then doubled since September 11 2001. But we can't afford food stamps and healthcare.......
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