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Old 01-03-2012, 08:25 PM
 
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In comparison to most of the posters here; I would typically be considered beyond progressive---perhaps even radical--- in my political and social views. Yet I think it's vitally important to remember that the most insidious threats to our freedom have no relationship to party politics.

There is a creeping tyranny that is/will affect all of us, regardless of where we are on the political spectrum. It happened under Carter and Reagan, it happened under Clinton and the Bush family, It's happening under Obama. When we fall into the trap of blaming those with different political or social ideologies, we lose our ability to focus on the corruption that systematically exists in American politics.

Congressional bills such as SOPA and Protect IP will stifle our free speech in equal proportion. Whatever you are for or against, someone in a position of governmental authority will be entrusted with the power--by fiat-- to prevent you from speaking your mind.

When increasingly-militarized police forces unconstitutionally disperse your protest, they won't care if you're OWS or Tea Party. If it meets the goals of the government to shut you up... perhaps even with violence...they will do it.

Warrantless searches and surveillance will be used whether you are a Democrat, a Republican, a Klansman, or a communist.

I think there are some conservatives and some liberals who care deeply and sincerely about protecting our freedoms. I also think there are far too many hypocrites on both sides.

This is one of the best posts I've read on this forum in a long time. Most people just want to rant and use hollow words that mean nothing and are started by thoughts that are about as empty as their minds. Notice I didn't use any names or even mention the OP. If people would read your post and think about it, they would see that you are correct, no one 'party' put us where we are today.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:31 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Lightbulb Do you Take Conservatives Serious When They Rave About Freedoms?

Of course not.

Because what they whine about is not freedom, but white privelege. For instance, this recent trend to restrict voting. In America, voting is a constitutional right. Yet the GOP is busy trying to restrict who votes by erecting bureaucratic barriers that would exclude millions of eligible voters across the country. And the vast majority of those excluded would likely be minority and elderly voters. In other words, voters outside the shrinking republican constituency.

The lame republican argument is "Well, you have to show an ID to buy liquor or write a check."

What they fail to recognize is that neither of those activities is a constitutional right. Yet, they claim they're the party more concerned with the constitution.
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Q: Do you Take Conservatives Serious When They Rave About Freedoms?
A: No. Only fools do.
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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I don't. Most of them don't have a clue about what's happening in the world around them.
When the president signed into law allowing the military to arrest people (even Americans) on suspicion of terrorism and can keep them indefinitely without official charges or trial...how did conservatives react?
Same goes for SOPA. Or accepting the official version of 9/11.
Generally, the conservatives are sucka$$es. Like obedient robots they conform and do as they are told. That's another reason why they despise OWS. The conservatives despise anyone who doesn't march along in step with conformism.
So let the conservatives wave their flags and blather their empty slogans, blah, blah, blah...it's just the air rushing between their ears.
You can make EXACTLY the same case about lefties.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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I don't. Most of them don't have a clue about what's happening in the world around them.
When the president signed into law allowing the military to arrest people (even Americans) on suspicion of terrorism and can keep them indefinitely without official charges or trial...how did conservatives react?
Same goes for SOPA. Or accepting the official version of 9/11.
Generally, the conservatives are sucka$$es. Like obedient robots they conform and do as they are told. That's another reason why they despise OWS. The conservatives despise anyone who doesn't march along in step with conformism.
So let the conservatives wave their flags and blather their empty slogans, blah, blah, blah...it's just the air rushing between their ears.
The usual "Anybody who doesn't AGREE WITH me is (fill in the blank, because I am the smartest person in the world". Blah, blah, blah...
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