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Old 01-02-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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I decided to join the LP during the last election, but I was not active enough, apparently. cough..obama..cough. I refuse to sit on my fanny in 2012. Hopefully someone else would like to take part in a Libertarian party thread.

So far, I looked at the candidates and I picked: GOVERNOR GARY JOHNSON ANNOUNCES HE WILL SEEK LIBERTARIAN NOMINATION

Not only because of his principles, but because he's good-looking and I think as such he may be more electable than the other (wonderful) candidates. Can I invite any other Libertarians--and anyone else who cares about our freedom as Americans--out there to join us in the quest to take back our country?

It looks like the convention is May 4-6, 2012 (Politics1 - 2012 Election Calendar - Presidential Election Calendar), but I am going to verify w/ my local chapter.

Anybody excited, yet?
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Maybe. We'll see how Ron Paul does in the GOP first.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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Maybe. We'll see how Ron Paul does in the GOP first.
I don't think Ron Paul has the right to call himself a Libertarian considering his stance on abortion.

We have enough serious issues facing the country without fighting Roe V Wade all over again. For the record, I am against abortion, but I don't think it is the Federal government's job to dictate how many children a woman should have.

As a Christian, I believe that's between the "mother" and God...and while I may not approve, I believe my God has asked me not to judge others. Ron Paul has a few good ideas, but he's totally lost me on the abortion issue.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I don't think Ron Paul has the right to call himself a Libertarian considering his stance on abortion.
Republicans may *** about abortion but they aren't going to do anything about it. That goes for Ron Paul as well.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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Republicans may *** about abortion but they aren't going to do anything about it. That goes for Ron Paul as well.
According to his campaign website, RP plans to do a LOT about trying to criminalize abortion.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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I don't think Ron Paul has the right to call himself a Libertarian considering his stance on abortion.

We have enough serious issues facing the country without fighting Roe V Wade all over again. For the record, I am against abortion, but I don't think it is the Federal government's job to dictate how many children a woman should have.

As a Christian, I believe that's between the "mother" and God...and while I may not approve, I believe my God has asked me not to judge others. Ron Paul has a few good ideas, but he's totally lost me on the abortion issue.
He's just doing it the pander to the republicans for votes. If he actually ran as a true libertarian, he most likely would have never been in office at all.

Otherwise he wants to overturn Roe v. Wade to give the states the power to choose how they want to address the issue. Paul does not want to ban abortion at the federal level.
It is in a way a backdoor way of banning abortion, but like most everything Paul and libertarians stand for, he wants to leave it to the states to make their own laws
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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I don't think Ron Paul has the right to call himself a Libertarian considering his stance on abortion.
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Ron Paul doesn't want the government regulating businesses.

Individual rights are a completely different matter.
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:53 PM
 
Location: NC
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I don't think Ron Paul has the right to call himself a Libertarian considering his stance on abortion.

We have enough serious issues facing the country without fighting Roe V Wade all over again. For the record, I am against abortion, but I don't think it is the Federal government's job to dictate how many children a woman should have.
HUH???!

So you are against abortion, but don't want the federal government to police it, and then riles against Paul for having the exact same position on this issue?

Are you getting Gary's newsletters? He is asking all supporters to vote for Paul in the GOP primaries.

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GOVERNOR GARY JOHNSON TO IOWA SUPPORTERS: VOTE FOR RON PAUL IN THE CAUCUSES

December 31, 2011, Santa Fe, NM -- Former New Mexico Governor released the following statement today regarding next week’s Iowa Caucuses:

“Wednesday, December 28, I announced that I am seeking the Libertarian nomination for president. Accordingly, I urge my supporters in Iowa to vote for Dr. Ron Paul in the upcoming Iowa Presidential Caucuses.

“While Ron Paul and I are both libertarians, we don't necessarily agree on every single issue. However, on the over-riding issues of restoring our economy by cutting out-of-control spending and the need to get back to Constitutional principles in our government, Ron Paul and I are in lock-step. Indeed, I proudly endorsed Ron Paul for President in 2008.

“The cause of individual liberty and freedom is bigger and more important than any candidate or campaign. I am hopeful that in urging my supporters in Iowa to vote for Ron Paul in the upcoming Caucuses, a victory for the principles we share can be won.”

December 31, 2011, Santa Fe, NM -- Former New Mexico Governor released the following statement today regarding next week’s Iowa Caucuses:

“Wednesday, December 28, I announced that I am seeking the Libertarian nomination for president. Accordingly, I urge my supporters in Iowa to vote for Dr. Ron Paul in the upcoming Iowa Presidential Caucuses.

“While Ron Paul and I are both libertarians, we don't necessarily agree on every single issue. However, on the over-riding issues of restoring our economy by cutting out-of-control spending and the need to get back to Constitutional principles in our government, Ron Paul and I are in lock-step. Indeed, I proudly endorsed Ron Paul for President in 2008.

“The cause of individual liberty and freedom is bigger and more important than any candidate or campaign. I am hopeful that in urging my supporters in Iowa to vote for Ron Paul in the upcoming Caucuses, a victory for the principles we share can be won.”
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The fact is if Paul was pro-choice he would probably lose the primary when running for representative. Goldwater got whipped badly. Reagan figured out that you had to get social conservative along with classical liberals in order to win a election. Winning elections does matter.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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While I'm a Libertarian, I don't support any candidate at this time. Paul and Johnson might get more of my attention as time passes, but so far both of them are not the "type" of Libertarians I would probably vote for.
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