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Old 01-18-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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he was a STOCKHOLDER in a company that got the ELECTRONIC security contract after the 1993 bombing(contract awarded in 96)..that company LOST ist contract in 1997 and EJ electric got it





E-J Electric Installation Co. :. Major Projects :. Security



False. Bush was on the board of directors of Stratesec, first of all. Not just a stockholder.

From your own source:

Marvin Bush was reelected annually to Securacom's board of directors from 1993 through 1999. His final reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000.


If you can't even get that right, there's not much point in arguing with you. And f
or your information, the name of the company is Stratesec, not Securacom. In the early 90s when it was going by Securacom, the company was sued for copyright infringement because that name was already taken. So they were forced to rename the company to Stratesec.



Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.


Looks to me like E-J Electric was HIRED as a subcontractor by Stratesec.

In the words of Stratesec's CEO at the time:


The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."



Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United



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Old 01-18-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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[color=Navy]The fact is, I have worked in several. Have you?
Based on the knowledge (or lack thereof) that you've demonstrated thus far when it comes to how a skyscraper is operated, I find that extremely difficult to believe.

Working in a skyscraper is different than working in a small office building with relatively few tenants. I could believe that you've held an office job, but not that you've worked in a skyscraper. If you had, especially if you'd done it for any real length of time, you wouldn't be making the claims that you are.

And, yes, I have. I worked in the the Sanwa building (now called 'Figureroa at Wilshire,' I believe) in downtown L.A. for about a year, as well as other downtown buildings at various times.

You don't just walk into an office building of that size with a bunch of tools and start tearing walls apart. If you'd ever worked in one, you'd know that. You can't bring equipment in or out without having it checked by security. That's been the case with every significantly large office building I've worked in - and my skyscraper experience was pre-9/11. Heck, even the last multi-story office building I worked at - a whopping four floors - had asset control for anything going in or coming out...

Sorry, but your claim is as believable as your saying that you saw a flying unicorn this morning.

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Here's another interesting fact. George Bush's brother Marvin Bush was one of the principals of the company that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center buildings from 1996 up until September 11, 2001.
That old lie again?

Wow. I thought even the hardcore truthers had abandoned that one. You're truly something special, ck.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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  • Bush's company did more than consulting. It had a contract to provide electronic equipment and surveillance services to the WTC. Not just the WTC but for United Airlines and Dulles Airport as well.
  • Stratesec was owned by Kuwaiti-American Inc., a private investment firm with close ties to the Bush family. The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec and a Bush family member, cousin of George and Marvin Bush.
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But hey what's a few more startling coincidences anyway? No big deal. Move along, nothing to see here.
Rather than copy/paste stuff from truther sites (it's very obvious when you don't even bother to remove the formatting from the text), why don't you do your own research?

It could be a fun project for you. Do your own research, and exclude any and all truther sites from your source list. I dare you. No, I triple dog dare you! You won't bother, though, because your mind is closed. You're not actually interested in the truth - you're only interested in proving your preconceived conclusions. That much is clear.
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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False. Bush was on the board of directors of Stratesec, first of all. Not just a stockholder.

From your own source:

Marvin Bush was reelected annually to Securacom's board of directors from 1993 through 1999. His final reelection was on May 25, 1999, for July 1999 to June 2000.


If you can't even get that right, there's not much point in arguing with you. And f
or your information, the name of the company is Stratesec, not Securacom. In the early 90s when it was going by Securacom, the company was sued for copyright infringement because that name was already taken. So they were forced to rename the company to Stratesec.



Stratesec (Securacom) differs from other security companies which separate the function of consultant from that of service provider. The company defines itself as a "single-source" provider of "end-to-end" security services, including everything from diagnosis of existing systems to hiring subcontractors to installing video and electronic equipment. It also provides armored vehicles and security guards.


Looks to me like E-J Electric was HIRED as a subcontractor by Stratesec.

In the words of Stratesec's CEO at the time:


The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."



Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United



you show your IGNORANCE

what is a BOARDMENBER..but a major STOCKHOLDER

yes HE was party of the company till 2000...but the COMPANY LOST THE CONTRACT in 1997....that is FACT

ej electric was awarded the contract after stratsec/securacom LOST the contract...marvin NEVER had a thing to do withy the WTC even when they did have the contract


again you show your IGNORANCE and your AGENDA
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Old 01-18-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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and wirt walker is NOT even a close cousin....same last name as the wlakers but not a relation...BTW obama is a cousin of bush


I have been doing Genealogy for 3 decades
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Old 01-18-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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Stratesec didn't lose the contract. They subcontracted the labor out to EJ Electric in 1998. EJ performed the physical grunt work installing equipment but Stratesec was in charge.

The same year (1998), Kroll Associates took over the management of WTC security from Stratesec. Though technically Stratesec still held the contract for the work performed by EJ up until 2001.


Kroll company took charge of WTC security in 1998


The Kroll company which specializes in corporate espionage in addition to running high-level security for major firms, was known as the 'CIA of Wall Street' because it employed a large number of former and current members of the CIA, FBI, military intel and other intelligence agencies. Make of that what you will.

At the WTC, McDaniel was in charge of the security operation in terms of what he called a “completion contract,” to provide services “up to the day the buildings fell down.”[2] McDaniel came to Stratesec directly from BDM International, where he had been Vice President for nine years. BDM was a major subsidiary of The Carlyle Group for most of that time.

The Carlyle Group is a private equity firm heavily invested in the defense industry with deep ties to Washington politicians and the Bin Laden family. George Herbert Walker Bush, Sr. and his former Secretary of State James Baker were/still are senior members.


When Barry McDaniel started at BDM, the company began getting a large amount of government business “in an area the Navy called Black Projects,” or budgets that were kept secret.



Bin Laden Family Has Intricate Ties With Washington

Bin Laden Family Liquidates Holdings With Carlyle Group - NYTimes.com


As reported in the NY Times, the bin Laden family severed all its financial ties to the Carlyle Group shortly after 9/11 as a result of public controversy surrounding the bin Laden family's relationship to Bush Sr. and the Carlyle Group.




Bin Laden and the Carlyle Group


On September 11, 2001, Baker watched television coverage of the
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon from the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Washington DC, where Baker and representatives of Osama bin Laden's family were among those attending the annual conference for the Carlyle Group. Baker (along with Bush Sr.) is Senior Counselor for the Carlyle Group, and the bin Ladens are among its major investors.[17]


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Old 01-18-2012, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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wrong

ej electric got the contract , Stratesec got the boot

so are you saying that ej electric (which as you say did the grunt work) wire the building for demo...is that what you are saying..becayse you will need a lawyer if you are


and the security was RUN and HANDLED by the port authority of NYNJ...ej did the ELECTRONICS



let me guess ,, you are a liberal from cali...wwith an agenda
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Old 01-19-2012, 09:55 AM
 
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Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate "power-down" on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. -- a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton -- this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York's Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC's computer bandwidth. However, there seems to be no logical reason why the electricity need be shut down in order to upgrade computer bandwidth.

The Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC's first occupants after it was erected, and a "power-down" had never been initiated prior to this occasion. Forbes also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) -- approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC's security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors. Forbes states that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out.

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Old 01-19-2012, 10:19 AM
 
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Ahh the old Forbes said there was a power down,

1) Forbes only worked on one floor.

2) he never said that the power down was for the entire building (and it was only for ONE building - did you forget that there are 7 buildings on that complex?). In fact he can't even provide actual proof that there was a power down.



WTC Power Down

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GW: How do you know that there was no electricity from floor 50 up, if Fiduciary Trust was on much higher floors -- starting at the 90th floor?

SF: I can't absolutely verify that there was no power on lower floors ... all I can validate is that we were informed of the power down condition, that we had to take down all systems and then the following day had to bring back up all systems ...
you know how we know that Forbes exaggerated in his interviews (mind you they were to known 911 truther websites, NOT to any credible sources), because the Observation Deck (in HIS BUILDING) was OPEN that entire weekend.






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These tickets aren’t fatal to Forbes’ story as he’s already admitted he can only confirm the power-down condition on his floors. However, they do suggest that the original claim, “there was no electrical supply for approx 36hrs from floor 50 up”, simply wasn’t true.

Long debunked claims. Can you join us in 2012 please?
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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