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Old 01-04-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: TX
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Development stages.
I hoped as much. But I guess I'm asking what is it SPECIFICALLY that convinces you, "Okay, this is a life, not just an object".
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:59 PM
 
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Abortion is a political issue. Same as capital punishment, euthanasia... To me, life begins at conception. That is when the DNA is set. The unborn child has different DNA than the mother and it is human; therefore a distinct life.
I'm curious about your definition of life. If an embryo absorbs another embryo (which is not a terribly rare event), where does the life go? Two distinct sets of DNA are now a single, indistinguishable lifeform.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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I cannot think of any reason why I would ever recommend a person obtain an abortion. moral

I cannot think of a reason why I would want anybody telling me that I could not. political

The decision should be between a woman, her family, doctor and G-d.

And not after the 1st trimester.

Three theologians discussing when does life begin. Theologian 1 at conception, theologian 2 at quickening, theologian 3, when the kids leave home and the dog dies.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Development stages.
So you draw the line at which developmental aspect of the fetus? It already has brain waves, a beating heart and can move by three months. Teeth buds and hair follicles are present. So are genitals. The baby can form a fist. Bones are starting to form. Every organ is already present, although not fully developed, obviously.

Three months is the entire first trimester.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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So is choosing for someone that isn't aware that they will have a bad life if born.
Adoption is so often overlooked by the pro-abortionists. Sad.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:08 PM
 
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The "counseling" women get before hand is not much counseling at all, usually their biggest concern is if you know your choices, and you're not being pressured by a family member or boyfriend. They give you a pamphlet that doesn't tell you about PASS or any other possible emotional issues you could have afterwards.

Having an abortion is more than just another emotional decision. It has real repercussions and real emotional affects that aren't just in your head, but are cuased by physical hormones going through your body. Having an abortion can affect you much like a miscarriage, only with the added guilt of knowing it was your "fault" (whereas a miscarriage there is proof it's not), plus the fear of being rejected and judged by others for having one. Women go through all the same emotions after an abortion as a miscarriage PLUS these added stresses that can cause severe emotional breakdowns. This is NOT something that women are told about before an abortion and it is NOT something that is readily treated by the medical community!

Here's a website you can read up on PASS and it's affects.
Symptoms and Frequently Asked Questions About Post Abortion Stress Syndrome
Ah, I thought you were implying clinics were bullying women into abortions. But I think, after a glance, PASS is no different than the many psychological issues suffered at the hands of hormone imbalances, and, gosh, most psychological issues really. I think most have a lot of people thinking the person suffering should just toughen up and get over it. I can't say I've ever dealt with anything similar, but from what I've gathered people with emotional and psychological issues are often brushed aside.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: East Texas, with the Clan of the Cave Bear
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It is a medical procedure to remove an unwanted parasitic growth. That could endanger the life of the host.

Apparently your host mother was quite brave to risk her life with such a parasite as you!
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Why not present your (clinical) definition of surgery instead of questioning the person's take on early abortion being no different than removal of a parasitic growth? Does your definition entail removal of only dead cells from the body?
No. As someone who has had pre-cancerous skin cells removed...obviously not.

It also has nothing to do with whether the part being removed is wanted or not. You think amputees want to have their limbs removed?

I called out the poster b/c he was being intellectually dishonest.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I'm curious about your definition of life. If an embryo absorbs another embryo (which is not a terribly rare event), where does the life go? Two distinct sets of DNA are now a single, indistinguishable lifeform.
Do you have a link for this?
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But I guess I'm asking what is it SPECIFICALLY that convinces you, "Okay, this is a life, not just an object".
What is life but a process resulting from chemical reactions that supplies energy to the object to be able to function? This would include every bit of living cell in your body.

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No. As someone who has had pre-cancerous skin cells removed...obviously not.
Were those dead cells?
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It also has nothing to do with whether the part being removed is wanted or not. You think amputees want to have their limbs removed?
Amputees already have their limb(s) removed. Anyway, they had them removed for a purpose, usually to save their lives. Leaving them in, would have caused suffering and likely endangered their lives (until that point those limbs would be nothing more than parasites).

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I called out the poster b/c he was being intellectually dishonest.
I don't see that.
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