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It didn’t take very much reductio to get right down to absurdum.
No fallacies involved. I honestly think it just stems from people having incorrect foundational ideas. If you start with a wrong idea, the arguments that follow will naturally be wrong as well.
If you begin with the idea that the government is the legitimate owner of everything within its borders, it would be logical to conclude that taxation isn't theft.
"It isn't theft if you get something in return"... *points gun at your head* GIVE ME YOUR WALLET *takes wallet, gives you a sandwich*
I did like that they blatantly admitted that you don't own anything, the government owns everything. From that perspective, of course you wouldn't consider it theft.
The sandwich is "for your own good".
By statist logic rape becomes consensual sex if the perp buys the woman dinner afterwards.
Of course now Republicans support taxing consumers with tariffs for our own good.
Dr. Walter Williams explains the immorality of the liberal position:
"Once one accepts the principle of self-ownership, what's moral and immoral becomes self-evident. Murder is immoral because it violates private property. Rape and theft are also immoral -- they also violate private property. Here's an important question: Would rape become morally acceptable if Congress passed a law legalizing it? You say: "What's wrong with you, Williams? Rape is immoral plain and simple, no matter what Congress says or does!" If you take that position, isn't it just as immoral when Congress legalizes the taking of one person's earnings to give to another? Surely if a private person took money from one person and gave it to another, we'd deem it theft and, as such, immoral. Does the same act become moral when Congress takes people's money to give to farmers, airline companies or an impoverished family? No, it's still theft, but with an important difference: It's legal, and participants aren't jailed."
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