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Old 08-03-2012, 01:10 PM
 
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If people can be distinguished visually and can also be distinguished in tendency per known communications they will be either favored or unfavored....this is part of whats called natural law embedded in the species for survival. So...IOW if people with 6 fingers on one hand are great at assembly but socially known to be somewhat problematic they will not be favored and thats called guess what..?

get with the program on unity collectively or loose out individually...getting in the way of basic evolutionary fundamentals is no different then trying to stop the water falling with a popsicle stick at Niagara falls.
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Old 08-03-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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If people can be distinguished visually and can also be distinguished in tendency per known communications they will be either favored or unfavored....this is part of whats called natural law embedded in the species for survival. So...IOW if people with 6 fingers on one hand are great at assembly but socially known to be somewhat problematic they will not be favored and thats called guess what..?

get with the program on unity collectively or loose out individually...getting in the way of basic evolutionary fundamentals is no different then trying to stop the water falling with a popsicle stick at Niagara falls.
As human being one would think that a person would have enough intelligence to know that just because a person looks a certain way does not mean they act a certain way.


Of course, If you are biased, bigoted or just plain ignorant you may not be able to make such distinctions.
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Old 08-03-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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So add some context and explanations. It's been my understanding that most blacks in America live in the inner cities. If that is true, then where is most crime in America? If most of the crimes are committed in the inner cities, and the highest concentration on any race live in the inner cities, then they will find themselves embroiled in crime.

As to academic performance, most of that has to do with the culture which can dominate specific racial groups. With most Asian families and their friends it's considered commendable to do well in school, and it's something to strive for. In many areas in the white community, doing well in school makes you a nerd, in the black community doing well, or even speaking well is considered "selling out" or trying to be white. There are even some black children who think that "marriage is for white people".

What I'm getting at, is that people are people, and what may appear to be attributed to a person's race, may actually just be the culture they were raised within, and may even include the external forces from where they live, that are acting upon them; such as living in a crime ridden inner city.
Actually your understanding that "It's been my understanding that most blacks in America live in the inner cities." is WRONG.

Report: Shifting African-American Population | Adweek

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African Americans are nearly six years younger than all consumers; 47 percent are between 18 and 49 years old, which is considered the top-spending age demo by marketers.

• Black households making $75,000-plus have increased 47 percent in the last five years—1.5 times faster than the general population.

• If current trends continue, by 2015 more than half of all black Americans will live in the suburbs.

• Although their population is smaller, there are more African-American households in the U.S. than Hispanic households because the latter tend to have larger families.

• Forty-two percent of black adults have never married compared to 26 percent of all adults. This trend is increasing among younger age groups.
Your post points out that many people have an appalling ignorance when it comes to issues related to Black Americans and in most cases they haven't taken the time or effort to educate themselves about Black American history or the changing demographics among Black Americans.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:17 PM
 
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I for one do not have a problem talking about anything that plagues the black community. However, I do refuse to talk about such issues in a vacuum. What many whites want are observations without explanations, concerning many of the problems in the black community.

Observations without explanations help to reinforce the doctrine of racial inferiority. When blacks behave and or perform inferior, without explanation, the de facto conclusion is that they are inferior because that is what current evidence suggest. Many people believe that blacks perform superior in many sports because we are superior athletically, which is the de facto conclusion from the observation of performance. The same holds true in regards to things like intelligence, work ethic, crime and the like. The de facto conclusion of the observation is that such is the nature of blacks. Hence, naturally superior in athletics and naturally inferior in intellect, behavior, temperment and such.

In light of that, what many whites want to do is control the scope. Hence, as soon as blacks start talking about issues of crime, out of wedlock births, education, etc, in the context of the evolution of those realities, many whites cry foul. Why....because studying the evolution takes one back to racism in America. The past will always lead to racism in America and thus racism in America becomes an explanation for the socioeconomic statistical discrepancies between blacks and whites, negating the influence of natural inferiority of blacks and contradicting the narrative of many whites. Many whites simply do not believe that the legacy impact of centuries of racism has manifested any role in many of the problems that plauge blacks today, which means that the inferior performance and or behavior is the natural result of inferior traits in such areas, just as black superior performance in sports is an indication of their superiority in those particular areas.

Yes, we are defensive about observations without explanations.
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Old 08-03-2012, 03:28 PM
 
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I for one do not have a problem talking about anything that plagues the black community. However, I do refuse to talk about such issues in a vacuum. What many whites want are observations without explanations, concerning many of the problems in the black community.

Observations without explanations help to reinforce the doctrine of racial inferiority. When blacks behave and or perform inferior, without explanation, the de facto conclusion is that they are inferior because that is what current evidence suggest. Many people believe that blacks perform superior in many sports because we are superior athletically, which is the de facto conclusion from the observation of performance. The same holds true in regards to things like intelligence, work ethic, crime and the like. The de facto conclusion of the observation is that such is the nature of blacks. Hence, naturally superior in athletics and naturally inferior in intellect, behavior, temperment and such.

In light of that, what many whites want to do is control the scope. Hence, as soon as blacks start talking about issues of crime, out of wedlock births, education, etc, in the context of the evolution of those realities, many whites cry foul. Why....because studying the evolution takes one back to racism in America. The past will always lead to racism in America and thus racism in America becomes an explanation for the socioeconomic statistical discrepancies between blacks and whites, negating the influence of natural inferiority of blacks and contradicting the narrative of many whites. Many whites simply do not believe that the legacy impact of centuries of racism has manifested any role in many of the problems that plauge blacks today, which means that the inferior performance and or behavior is the natural result of inferior traits in such areas, just as black superior performance in sports is an indication of their superiority in those particular areas.

Yes, we are defensive about observations without explanations.
Well said.

People draw their own quick, short, conclusions as to the "cause" of racism, rather than ask themselves "why" does it exist to the extent that it does. Government and institutional white guilt has perpetuated racism, but black people also need to acknowledge their role in racism. People, as in black and white race, don't want to read and learn "where their own race went wrong". They should not be afraid to understand the whys and wheres as to how they went wrong.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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Aren't you being slightly near sighted in saying "people", in general, don't ask their selves why racism exists to the extent that it does? Plenty of people (white and black) ask this question and are equally educated about black history! It seems that you are insinuating that all white people (because they havn't lived it) are ignorant and uneducated regarding black history. With that reasoning, you may not suggest or assume a thing regarding white people - you are not white.
The bottom line will always be: there are white bigots and just as many black (you all know who you are , who will always hold dearly, to their beliefs, just as a good Christian will extrapolate anything from the bible, that conveniently suites him.

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Old 08-03-2012, 08:35 PM
 
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People, as in black and white race, don't want to read and learn "where their own race went wrong". They should not be afraid to understand the whys and wheres as to how they went wrong.

Sounds sensible...
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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People, as in black and white race, don't want to read and learn "where their own race went wrong". They should not be afraid to understand the whys and wheres as to how they went wrong.

Sounds sensible...
Race doesn't exist. There is no way to say black people or white people went wrong. The fact that we can't escape this false thinking is the result of this sick racial narrative. The racial narrative says that skin color actually explains or impacts human behavior, that by identifying someone's skin color you are somehow closer to understanding their behavior which is based on their race.

Once a person lets go of this ignorance, it becomes readily apparent that this idea of collective racial failure is very wrong headed thinking. That one can't actually analyze problems on the basis of skin color.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:30 AM
 
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Race doesn't exist. There is no way to say black people or white people went wrong. The fact that we can't escape this false thinking is the result of this sick racial narrative. The racial narrative says that skin color actually explains or impacts human behavior, that by identifying someone's skin color you are somehow closer to understanding their behavior which is based on their race.

Once a person lets go of this ignorance, it becomes readily apparent that this idea of collective racial failure is very wrong headed thinking. That one can't actually analyze problems on the basis of skin color.
That's a bunch of pure nonsense. Race is not just skin color. Race is ancestry. A south Indian may have the same skin color as a Black person, but they are not the same race.

Race is a biological fact. People cluster together genetically based on shared ancestry. Humans aren't immune from basic biological rules. Humans are still subject to selection, genetic drift and divergence just like any other species and those same biological forces give us our regional variation that is race.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:31 AM
 
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Just saying... Mitt Romney had his head handed to him recently, for observing that the different outcomes between Israelis and Palestinians have nothing to do with the ongoing occupation of Palestine and the ongoing destruction of their infrastructure or the restriction of their access to water, food, eductiation of other manifestations of civilization, but simply because Israelis are just better people. Hmmm. Somewhere in Palestine are Palestinians that are upwardly mobile and educated and they might have reacted less violently to Romney's statements. For a black man not to understand that black people have been destroyed beyond recovery by white people in America is some kind of crime IMO. If I were white I would try every day to distance myself from the awful legacy of slavery, Jim Crow and the ongoing racial divide. No one black or anyone who self-identifies as black has that right. Are there successful black Americans? Of course there are. Does that indicate that it is indeed possible for all blacks to achieve their results? Of course not! And the distinction if not individual. There is institutional racism and it skews the outcomes for millions of black men and women and it must not be denied. IT MUST NOT BE DENIED! Never forget. I am one of the most non-ethnic, white acting, black men the o.p. could ever hope to know, but I'll be damned to hell before I will go on the offensive against my own and side with white people in calling black people anything less than children of God. That just isn't called for.

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