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Old 02-28-2012, 04:45 PM
 
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If you want to see truth in LABELING and think foods containg GMOs should be indentified follow the link to sign the petition.

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I don't see what the big issue is. Those who complain about GMOs tend to fall into the "nutjob conspiracy theorist" category. Genetically modified crops could one day save millions from starvation, in the event of a famine.

 
Old 02-28-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:28 AM
 
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I don't see what the big issue is. Those who complain about GMOs tend to fall into the "nutjob conspiracy theorist" category. Genetically modified crops could one day save millions from starvation, in the event of a famine.
ONLY if we maintain a huge reserve of ROUND UP, 2,D-4 and other herbicides. Then there is the problem of the mutant weeds that have developed immunity to ROUND UP and 2,D-4 and require larger and more powerful hericides to kill.

And currently we have several super bugs that are immune to the ROUND UP and soon to be released 2,D-4 that are devestating the crops anyways.

Also GMO is NOT fortified, they are HEBICIDE proof because they have been genetically altered by SPLICING in ROUND UP and 2,D-4 into the the crops' DNA so in essence, the produce contains hebicide from the start then it is DROWNED in more herbicide to kill the weeds all the while sucking it up into its fruit via the roots..

REMEMBER BIOLOGY 101?
 
Old 02-29-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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ONLY if we maintain a huge reserve of ROUND UP, 2,D-4 and other herbicides. Then there is the problem of the mutant weeds that have developed immunity to ROUND UP and 2,D-4 and require larger and more powerful hericides to kill.

And currently we have several super bugs that are immune to the ROUND UP and soon to be released 2,D-4 that are devestating the crops anyways.

Also GMO is NOT fortified, they are HEBICIDE proof because they have been genetically altered by SPLICING in ROUND UP and 2,D-4 into the the crops' DNA so in essence, the produce contains hebicide from the start then it is DROWNED in more herbicide to kill the weeds all the while sucking it up into its fruit via the roots..

REMEMBER BIOLOGY 101?
As everything in life the weeds have adapted to changing conditions.

The logic used here is absolutely ludicrous.

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And currently we have several super bugs that are immune to the ROUND UP and soon to be released 2,D-4 that are devestating the crops anyways.
The exact same thing (human viruses becoming immune to antibiotics) is occurring, does that mean the antibiotics are evil?

It's called evolution, REMEMBER BIOLOGY 101?

BTW, what is this 2,D-4 that is devastating crops (anyways)?, please advise with accredited sources, thanks....

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Old 02-29-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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I don't see what the big issue is.
The ignorant and the uneducated generally don't. The issues are often far beyond their educational and intellectual abilities.

Arguing with someone who doesn't even understand basic chemistry is rather amusing at times.

Musing....

Mircea
 
Old 02-29-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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The ignorant and the uneducated generally don't. The issues are often far beyond their educational and intellectual abilities.

Arguing with someone who doesn't even understand basic chemistry is rather amusing at times.

Musing....

Mircea
how do you know this poster 'doesn't even understand basic chemistry'?

skeptical...

uggabugga
 
Old 02-29-2012, 05:06 PM
 
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good grief, buddy.. what a trainwreck of a post.

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ONLY if we maintain a huge reserve of ROUND UP, 2,D-4 and other herbicides. Then there is the problem of the mutant weeds that have developed immunity to ROUND UP and 2,D-4 and require larger and more powerful hericides to kill.
it's 2,4-D, not 2,D-4.
a large proportion of GMOs have nothing to do with roundup or 2,4-D.

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And currently we have several super bugs that are immune to the ROUND UP and soon to be released 2,D-4 that are devestating the crops anyways.
roundup and 2,4-D are herbicides, not insecticides. they have no effect on bugs, so ALL bugs are immune to them. neither roundup or 2,4-D are 'devastating the crops'. the crops are resistant, remember?

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Also GMO is NOT fortified, they are HEBICIDE proof because they have been genetically altered by SPLICING in ROUND UP and 2,D-4 into the the crops' DNA so in essence, the produce contains hebicide from the start then it is DROWNED in more herbicide to kill the weeds all the while sucking it up into its fruit via the roots..
so many errors in a single sentence

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Also GMO is NOT fortified
golden rice is. so is the soon to be released soybean line from the eevil monsanto. but i'm sure you are against these, as well..

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they are HEBICIDE proof because they have been genetically altered by SPLICING in ROUND UP and 2,D-4 into the the crops' DNA
no. the herbicide resistance comes from a gene from the bacterium Agrobacterium. this is where the resistance comes from.

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so in essence, the produce contains hebicide from the start
good grief. NO! an herbicide kills plants, remember? what would be the point of putting an herbicide into a plant that you want to grow?

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then it is DROWNED in more herbicide to kill the weeds all the while sucking it up into its fruit via the roots
your point being...?

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The EPA considered a "worst case" dietary risk model of an individual eating a lifetime of food entirely from glyphosate-sprayed fields, and with residue levels remaining at their maximum levels, and concluded no adverse effects would exist under these conditions.
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With particular regard to 2,4-D residues, the review has established that the residues arising from the proposed uses, consequent on application consistent with good plant protection practice, have no harmful effects on human or animal health. The Theoretical Maximum Daily Intake (TMDI) for a 60 kg adult is 1.4 % of the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI) of 0.05 mg/kg b.w./day, based on the FAO/WHO European Diet (1998).
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REMEMBER BIOLOGY 101?
sure do.

clearly, you do not

please respond to this post with something other than your 14th off-topic link about labelling. thanks.
 
Old 03-01-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Illinois
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I prefer GE foods. They are the most efficient way to make use of the resources we have to feed the world's population. In the market I use, where local produce too ripe to ship is sold, they are easily identified as the largest, most defect-free, and longest-lasting (fridge shelf life) fruits and veggies. The organic stuff is invariably covered in mold or riddled with insect holes and sometimes larvae. Yuck!
I know, right? Real food spoils over time. Twinkies sitting on a shelf for 20 years still look the same.
 
Old 03-01-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Southern Illinois
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who is this farmer, exactly? where does she live?

do you have a link to this?
I saw that there was one provided, but maybe you missed it so here is one:
David Versus Monsanto - 52 minute documentary - trailer - YouTube

This is a link to a 5 minute clip about the hell that Percy Schmeiser went thru, and it links to the hour long documentary if you're interested.
 
Old 03-02-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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I saw that there was one provided, but maybe you missed it so here is one:
This is a link to a 5 minute clip about the hell that Percy Schmeiser went thru, and it links to the hour long documentary if you're interested.
thanks, but here is the link i was responding to [emphasis added]:

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Originally Posted by zthatzmanz28
So, a farmer has grown her crops for generations. She refuses to buy into the Monsanto GMOs. All around her, fellow farmers have accepted the fallacy that GMOs are better, tastier and cheaper.
Last year, her crops were tested and found to be genetically identical to those of her neighbors and Monsanto.
Monsanto now sues her for copyright enfringement and asks the courts for monetary relief and says she is now liable for royalty payments, even though she has never signed with Monsanto, purchased any products from Monsanto, or WANTED Monsanto products.
i wanted more info about the female farmer that zthatsman mentioned.
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