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Old 01-22-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by Eleanora1 View Post
Some people need to stop making Republicans look like gullible morons. Then again after yesterday's election of Newt "Infidelity is bad Unless I Do It" Gingrich, I suppose that's damned near impossible.
Yeah, I can't believe that went over like it did. Very clever of Newt to make it look like the bad ole media was after him, esp. after what he did to Clinton.

 
Old 01-22-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by claudhopper View Post
Show me where it says Presidential records do not include personal records.
did you see katiana's post?

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In effect, what this order does is over-turn the previous executive order by Bush,....
yes, putting the standard back to where it was under reagan and less restrictive than it was under hw bush.

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Old 01-22-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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He is still a natural born US citizen, and therefore eligible for the Presidency.
No he is not eligible epectitus. He is at best a 14th amendment statutory citizen but not a Constitutional natural born citizen.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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No he is not eligible epectitus.
Not according to 200 years of case history.

From Ankeny v Daniels:

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Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural-born British subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [] natural-born citizens.”
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He is at best a 14th amendment statutory citizen but not a Constitutional natural born citizen.
Only racists, neo nazi's and white supremacist use this canard. And its an excuse used by them to deny black americans that they are citizens.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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From Blackstone..

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/Blackstone-allegiancenooathrequired.jpg (broken link)
 
Old 01-22-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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The devil went down to Georgia..


CALLING ALL GEORGIA PATRIOTS & TEA PARTIERS ~ YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU ON JAN, 26TH - YouTube
 
Old 01-22-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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From Blackstone..
And nothing in that paragraph (including the underline portion) supports anything that you have claimed in this thread.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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did you see katiana's post?



yes, putting the standard back to where it was under reagan and less restrictive than it was under hw bush.
I wouldn't justify Obama's executive order, by comparing his to Bush's - they are both rats. Hopefully the next real President will revoke the latest one, and simply allow true transparency, and the FIA to act as intended.
 
Old 01-22-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by claudhopper View Post
Show me where it says Presidential records do not include personal records.
Here: United States Code: Title 44,2201. Definitions | LII / Legal Information Institute

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US Code TITLE 44 > CHAPTER 22 > § 2201 § 2201. Definitions

As used in this chapter—

(2) The term “Presidential records” means documentary materials, or any reasonably seg*regable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term—
(A) includes any documentary materials relating to the political activities of the President or members of his staff, but only if such activities relate to or have a direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; but

(B) does not include any documentary materials that are
(i) official records of an agency (as defined in section 552 (e) [1] of title 5, United States Code);

(ii) personal records;

(iii) stocks of publications and stationery; or

(iv) extra copies of documents produced only for convenience of reference, when such copies are clearly so identified.
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Originally Posted by claudhopper
In effect, what this order does is over-turn the previous executive order by Bush, that Presidential records can be made publicly availabe through the Freedom of Information Act.
No it doesn't. It makes it easier to access Presidential records by overturning the onerous Bush order and replacing it with the more lenient language used by Ronald Reagan.

 
Old 01-22-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Kenyan Parliament website scrubs November 2008 Minutes which confirm Obama as “son of this soil”| The Post & Email

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The requested URL /parliament/downloads/Tenth Parl 1st Session/Hansard/5.11.08A.pdf was not found on this server.

update
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http://www.kerchner.com/images/prote...03-25-pg31.jpg

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