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Old 01-18-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^Actually, it's 500,000!
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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Our refineries are antiques. they are inefficient. Why not invest the $$ in building some in the border states and bring the oil pipeline to there, instead of this eyesore the height of the country?

We do not need a pipeline like this. He is right to kill it. The repugs are unhappy because now they don't get their pay outs. pity!
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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No, 50,000 isn't a huge number of jobs for a year. Its actually quite small, and that was actually during the building process, the actual number for day to day operations was much smaller then that.

Now, you are technically right, the thing has been in review for three years.

But the first 2.5 years was on a route that was cancelled just a few months back. Then they had to come up with an alternative route, survey it, that took time. So the hurried timeline is a valid argument, although I think it isn't genuine myself.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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How can they approve it if they haven't even agreed on the route yet?
MOST of the route is already agreed on, just one small section is at issue.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Our refineries are antiques. they are inefficient. Why not invest the $$ in building some in the border states and bring the oil pipeline to there, instead of this eyesore the height of the country?

We do not need a pipeline like this. He is right to kill it. The repugs are unhappy because now they don't get their pay outs. pity!
Because the Left, the environmentalists, the democrats have OPPOSED building new refineries.

Let me guess, you're unaware of this?
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Because the Left, the environmentalists, the democrats have OPPOSED building new refineries.

Let me guess, you're unaware of this?
He has said he will allow a refile, and hopes that he has more time next time.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Keystone: Dead Pipeline Lives On As Election-Year Issue : It's All Politics : NPR

Obama is banking on persuading enough voters that his desire to protect a particularly environmentally sensitive part of Nebraska trumps building the pipeline along a route that alarmed environmentalists and even some Nebraska Republicans.

Do you guys have no respect for Nebraskans?
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This man is an absolute disaster for this country. There is NO WAY he has the best interest of this country at heart.
So he should have just completely disregarded the concerns of the people of NE?

Hmmm. I'm thinking the thread title would have read something like this:

"Obama runs roughshod over state's rights..."
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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Our refineries are antiques. they are inefficient. Why not invest the $$ in building some in the border states and bring the oil pipeline to there, instead of this eyesore the height of the country?

We do not need a pipeline like this. He is right to kill it. The repugs are unhappy because now they don't get their pay outs. pity!
If you had a refinery capable of of doing this refining sitting 20 miles from the Canadian border here in the states we would still be having this discussion. The only reason that the State Department is involved in this to begin with is because it is crossing our national border....

Political name calling doesn't serve any purpose, nor make your point. Both sides are getting cash from this... make no doubt.
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Old 01-18-2012, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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No, 50,000 isn't a huge number of jobs for a year. Its actually quite small, and that was actually during the building process, the actual number for day to day operations was much smaller then that.

Sorry, but for ONE project, 50,000 jobs is a HUGE number.

Now, you are technically right, the thing has been in review for three years.

But the first 2.5 years was on a route that was cancelled just a few months back. Then they had to come up with an alternative route, survey it, that took time. So the hurried timeline is a valid argument, although I think it isn't genuine myself.
You're right it isn't genuine, nothing is from this president. No, the WHOLE route wasn't cancelled, just a SMALL segment of the pipeline needed an alternative route.
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