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Well, I may be one of those people you talk about since I do have a touch of emphysema after smoking for 30 years and having been pure for over the next 30 years. I do not have cancer yet, though. Now my dad did die at 97 from emphysema but my gawd he had smoked for 80 years before he quit at 92.
Somehow I don't think you are making much of a case. I was told what could happen but thought I was safe quitting at 48. Stupidity, I guess.
Yep, some beat the odds, just like you can always point to that perfect fracking job that didn't go bad. The one good job doesn't negate the ones that are going bad every day... The water well in Medina with a LEL level of 47???? Ignoring that one? Or you don't have a canned industry talking point for that one yet?
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If you go back a few pages there is post from tinman who lives near the area indicating that this was issue beforehand. I can bolster this assertion as my Uncle lives near there and he too told me this was issue before the fracking. If you care to research it you'll also find news articles that will suggest the same thing.
If there was an issue of gas leaking from the ground prior to fracking operations, what do you think further fracturing of that rock is going to do to the gas reservoir?
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RUBBISH, ground water contamination because of fracking is occuring ever day. Right here in Medina County, Jan 18, 2012 Medina Gazette, 2 Alladale Park gas wells have contaminated surrounding water wells. One water wellhead has a LEL reading of 47.4% and the other 34.7%...
I know you and the gas industry would luv to keep sweeping these stories under the rug but they are real and they aren't going away.
This isn't contamination. There isn't anything in the water that wasn't already there...
It's plausible that drilling through an acquifer and the mechanical vibration that is incident to the process dislodges sediment and gas that was previously sequestered (this has actually been established and it has also been established that a localized increase in sediment is temporary), but it is NOT plausible that this is gas migrating from a mile below the acquifer.
These stories aren't going away and they keep popping up, but there is a reason they don't get legs.
Yep, some beat the odds, just like you can always point to that perfect fracking job that didn't go bad. The one good job doesn't negate the ones that are going bad every day... The water well in Medina with a LEL level of 47???? Ignoring that one? Or you don't have a canned industry talking point for that one yet?
All of your little anecdotal stories about fracking keeps me wondering when the tree huggers will manage to stop the practice
This isn't contamination. There isn't anything in the water that wasn't already there...
It's plausible that drilling through an acquifer and the mechanical vibration that is incident to the process dislodges sediment and gas that was previously sequestered (this has actually been established and it has also been established that a localized increase in sediment is temporary), but it is NOT plausible that this is gas migrating from a mile below the acquifer.
These stories aren't going away and they keep popping up, but there is a reason they don't get legs.
It is not a matter of plausibility. Improperly designed and constructed wells can and do leak. Fracking is most effective when done in a confined formation. When that formation is not confined, or is leaky, fracking can and does result in aquifer contamination. And even in a confined formation, fracking can damage the confining formation, and allow gas and fracking fluids to escape.
But none of this addresses the issue of disposal of toxic fracking fluids. Most municipal waste water treatment plants are not designed to handle them.
We are foolishly allowing energy men to destroy our drinking water in the name of quick profits. Remember the secret energy policy meetings early in bush II first term? They laid the ground work for this back then.
How about doing some reading. I just finished the book "End of Country" that accurately discusses a first hand account of fracking the marcellus shale in Pennsylvania. Drinking water contamination from fracking is a reality.
Yea, I agree. It's serious.
Downplaying man causative global warming warranted by mounting evidence against it is one thing.
But this is totally different. Peoples drinking water has been contaminated. This is not made up. Anybody who sides with a company that is throwing caution to the wind in light of making a profit needs a serious wakeup call.
I really question some individuals agenda sometimes.
If there was an issue of gas leaking from the ground prior to fracking operations, what do you think further fracturing of that rock is going to do to the gas reservoir?
If you were to look at my previous posts you would find I've already suggested it was possible the fracking exacerbated the issue with this natural phenomenon.
The issue becomes is this is used quite successfully as means to manipulate peoples opinions as is evidenced in this thread such as the previous post "Water is on fire... case closed". Hard to blame someone for that conclusion when it's used so much by environmental groups and It would seem logical until you find out the history of the area.
But none of this addresses the issue of disposal of toxic fracking fluids. Most municipal waste water treatment plants are not designed to handle them.
My understanding is the biggest issue with the water is it contains a lot of "toxic" salt.
In my area the large quantities of water they require may turn out to be huge plus for water quality.
The policy outlined at a public meeting Tuesday would couple the natural gas industry's need for massive amounts of water in hydrofracking and the longstanding problem of cleaning up 5,000 miles of waterway in Pennsylvania impaired by acid mine drainage.
"This is a really good opportunity for the industry to get the water they need and address historic mine drainage problems," said John Stefanko, a deputy secretary in the Department of Environmental Protection.
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