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Old 02-07-2012, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Sounds like we have a McVeigh fan.
Considering the man fits the definition of "domestic terrorist" by the FBI to a T:

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Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual based and operating entirely within the United States or Puerto Rico without foreign direction committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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How can you compare that ?

We caught the terrorists in another country and brought them here.
Not even a close comparison.

McVeigh was an radical extremist, not a terrorist.
Blowing up a building and targeting and killing hundreds of innocent people doesn't make one a terrorist?

WTF????
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Blowing up a building and targeting and killing hundreds of innocent people doesn't make one a terrorist?

WTF????
Innocent until proven guilty.

Used to mean something in our country.

For those who profess to love the founding fathers so damned much, conservatives and Republicans don't seem to care so much when they don't like it.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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Well, thankfully the Taliban is not the model for the American Justice System. Frankly, however, it's fairly disturbing that many people like you seem to be arguing that it should be.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the Taliban will not show mercy on you so why show mercy on terrorists? Have you ever seen Saving Private Ryan? Remember when the guy they free in the middle of the movie comes back at the end and kills the soldier with his knife?

And no, I don't trust the American judicial system. We send innocent people to jail every day, and release people that should be locked away forever like rapists and child molesters. That's bad enough but should we start freeing terrorists so they can come back later and fly airplanes into our buildings? I say no
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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It applies to citizens of the United States
Endowed by creator? There was no U.S when the Declaration was written/read.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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Yeah um it doesn't guarantee those American rights to non Americans...... ??? If it did there would be no need for immigration laws???
Yea, the Constitution kinda does apply to non-Americans if they're in our care.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:23 PM
 
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So, who then is a terrorists? Without a fair trial who makes that distinction? Is a terrorist anyone you decide is one?

And for all of you armchair attorneys out there that make this site so.. interesting. Non-citizens have the same right to due process and civil justice as citizens. The problem has been the government redefining civil criminal acts as matters for military justice.
That's a great question. What DOES constitute a terrorist? That term has been tossed around so much that it's meaningless at this point.

Folks seem to forget that the constitution applies to persons, not citizens.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Why do we insist on fair trials for people that want us dead?
Because we are the USA and we have higher standards than thugs and scumbag terrorists driven by nutty arsed religious zealotry that's why.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that the Taliban will not show mercy on you so why show mercy on terrorists?
Well then, yes, that is what you're saying.

If we start acting like a bunch of savages then we're no better than they are.
I'm surprised at how many of you are apparently comfortable with that.
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Old 02-09-2012, 10:24 PM
 
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I'm not suggesting we have public beheadings. I'm simply stating that if we free terrorists who are suspected of plotting attacks on the United States because of your humanitarian bull**** belief, more Americans will die. Who do you care more about? Americans or the Land of the ****ed Towel Head?
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