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View Poll Results: What option do you like better?
Building a 1600 mile oil pipeline that goes across the US 15 40.54%
Building a refinery in North Dakota 22 59.46%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-25-2012, 09:59 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
Not really.....then you would have to build more new pipe lines to move the gas around the country, those pipe lines are already built here in Texas going all over the country..
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Good idea. Cutting emissions from trucks transporting the refined oil is easier to deal with than trying to fix all the thousands of leaks that WILL occur on a 1600 mile pipeline.
Now you are just making stuff up.....
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:09 AM
 
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Built a pipeline to Duluth, the closest port city. Ship the oil across the Lakes. Kill the CEO and/or declare war on Canada if any of it spills along the way.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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"Thousands of leaks?" You have no clue of what you're talking about.

Why do people comment on things when they know nothing of the subject?

I would be shocked if one leak developed on that line in our lifetime that wasn't caused by outside damage (IE a backhoe or trencher)

And how many accidents would the tank trucks or tank rail cars have?

The pipeline is the absolute safest and environmentally friendly way to transport liquids or gas.
Leaks will happen a lot. Of course, I'm not talking about huge leaks like Prudhoe Bay. I'm talking about very small leaks that will happen over the life of the pipeline from small cracks and failing valves and pumps. There will be a lot of these.

Edit: If we're going to transport Canadian oil to the Gulf, I prefer to use rail.

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Old 01-25-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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It has nothing to do with trucks and emissions and everything to do with the ability to have port access. After all, trucking will be involved from the coast to inland anyway. Or if trucking is a problem, may be we ought to reconsider rebuilding the railway network?

Then why not just ship if out of the state of Washington. Isn't that closer than Texas?
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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Then why not just ship if out of the state of Washington. Isn't that closer than Texas?
The refineries are on our Gulf Coast. This was the attraction. Canada appears to be moving toward "Plan B" to ship it from their own Western coast instead.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:16 AM
 
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Leaks will happen a lot. Of course, I'm not talking about huge leaks like Prudhoe Bay. I'm talking about very small leaks that will happen over the life of the pipeline from small cracks and failing valves and pumps. There will be a lot of these.
Do you know what a smart pig is? Do you know what Dope coating is as it pertains to the pipeline industry? There should not ever be cracks... does that say there wouldn't be... no... but a lot? Nope. This wouldn't have been little thin-walled pipe. Again... proof of your claim...
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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There are already many, many, many oil and gas pipelines stretching across the Ogallala reservoir. Other than playing to his political base, there was no reason Obama could not have moved to make the Keystone Pipeline project move forward contingent upon Nebraska coming to an agreement with Keystone as to the routing. Throughout this whole Kabuki of the Keystone Pipeline's potential to cause damage to the aquifir T. Boone Pickens continues to drain it for profit and those who fights the pipeline remain silent.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: N. Ga
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T. Boone Pickens continues to drain it for profit and those who fights the pipeline remain silent.
Good post! But rest assured, those folks on both sides won't remain silent long. It's just another bandwagon for them to jump on. They feel they need to "protest" against something, someone, or the establishment even though they really don't have a clue what their fighting for right or wrong....
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
Probably due to the same reason there is no refinery at the oil pipeline crossroads of America in Cushing, OK. There not a big enough market there for refined products. (There used to be one refinery in Cushing, but it put out a lot of pollution and had to go out of business.) But in the Houston area, which has more population than many of the states, there is.

http://www.newson6.com/story/1586351...inery-clean-up
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