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Originally Posted by Memphis1979
But I'm for jobs, and the nd solution sounds like it would create more long term jobs.
It would create more long-term jobs... it also would create more short term jobs, because the only way to get the crude in and OUT would be to lay more pipelines... but doesn't that put us right back to where we are now... arguing about a pipeline?
It would create more long-term jobs... it also would create more short term jobs, because the only way to get the crude in and OUT would be to lay more pipelines... but doesn't that put us right back to where we are now... arguing about a pipeline?
Wasn't the nd portion of the pipeline already accepted?
There are bigger issues than jobs related to this pipeline. The oil was to come from Canada, thru the US down to Texas and sold to China. Canada, nor any other country should be given imminent domain in our country. There are plenty of oil/energy related jobs up here in N.D. We can't support the workers here now, and those jobs are not long term, just building phase. Also, you don't think Canada wouldn't have imported Canadian workers??? Read the issues, educate yourself.
Top US refineries-US Energy Information Administration.....http://www.eia.gov/neic/rankings/refineries.htm
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Wasn't the nd portion of the pipeline already accepted?
Yes... everything was a go except for the re-route of Nebraska. But now the whole project has been shut down.
This is what gets to me most... people think that oh hey.. just build another refinery. I grew up in a refinery town. My father worked for Texaco refining for 30+ years. You think that the pipeline does damage? You ain't seen nothing yet. The pipeline is the safest, cleanest, least damaging of all our options to get crude, gas, oil, diesel, etc from point A to point B. And all our "greenie" friends keep talking about harming the environment. Yet, they are still driving their cars, heating their homes, and biting the hands that feed them.
Even those of us in the industry would love to have other forms of green energy. But... until that happens (and we have the infrastructure to deal with it!) they have no choice but to deal with pipelines. I'd love to see us head to a more natural gas type situation, but would they be willing to let us lay the lines to do that... Nope... they'd find some reason to complain and protest.
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Apparently the OP doesn't know that theonly refinery built in the USA in the past 35 years is indeed already in operation in North Dakota. IIRC, it is located on the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation and operated by the Tesoro Corp. .
I think I read that that particular refinery isn't capable of refining the particular type of crude we are talking about without major retrofitting? Isn't this correct?
Yes... everything was a go except for the re-route of Nebraska. But now the whole project has been shut down. This is what gets to me most... people think that oh hey.. just build another refinery. I grew up in a refinery town. My father worked for Texaco refining for 30+ years. You think that the pipeline does damage? You ain't seen nothing yet. The pipeline is the safest, cleanest, least damaging of all our options to get crude, gas, oil, diesel, etc from point A to point B. And all our "greenie" friends keep talking about harming the environment. Yet, they are still driving their cars, heating their homes, and biting the hands that feed them.
Even those of us in the industry would love to have other forms of green energy. But... until that happens (and we have the infrastructure to deal with it!) they have no choice but to deal with pipelines. I'd love to see us head to a more natural gas type situation, but would they be willing to let us lay the lines to do that... Nope... they'd find some reason to complain and protest.
So, why did Nebraskans demand re-routing? Heck, Titanic was also meant to be the safest... I think those with concerns have a point. But it doesn't take much to do so when the comparison is made to those who stick with denial.
The fact that a new oil refinery isn't being supported proves that the crocodile tears are really meant to provide an access to sell oil to other countries. The idea of helping the US demand is a sham, a cover up.
I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.
What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
The whole point of the pipeline is for big oil to run the most cost efficient way to get their product from Canada to the gulf, to be sold on the world market to skyrocket their profit margins.
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So, why did Nebraskans demand re-routing? Heck, Titanic was also meant to be the safest... I think those with concerns have a point. But it doesn't take much to do so when the comparison is made to those who stick with denial.
The fact that a new oil refinery isn't being supported proves that the crocodile tears are really meant to provide an access to sell oil to other countries. The idea of helping the US demand is a sham, a cover up.
Nebraska had every right to ask for a re-route! Even those of us in the industry think that. I've never once said otherwise, so no one is in denial. This is a political pandering time issue, but we've already discussed this too much here.
You believe it to be a sham as far as demand... I don't. Any production here does nothing but help us in the long run unless you believe that buying from the middle east or Brazil or China is good for us?
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