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View Poll Results: What option do you like better?
Building a 1600 mile oil pipeline that goes across the US 15 40.54%
Building a refinery in North Dakota 22 59.46%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-25-2012, 07:21 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Good idea. Cutting emissions from trucks transporting the refined oil is easier to deal with than trying to fix all the thousands of leaks that WILL occur on a 1600 mile pipeline.
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
There is a discussion to just that already taking place. Long as it doesnt cross state lines, it gets rid of fedeal oversight
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:44 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
I do not know and wondered the same thing.

My guess, and that's all it is, is that Texas, long being a major oil producer, has all the infrastructure already in place- refineries, oil companies, engineers, shipping, scientists, etc.

Also, Texas is centrally located while North Dakota is somewhat isolated.

Again, just guessing.
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: N. Ga
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Three reasons you'll never see a refinery in N.D.

1. It takes 4 to 6 years to build one.
2. Cost 6 Billion or more.
3. You think it's hard getting approval for a pipeline? The EPA, FERC, and the State Depart (don't forget, you're still talking about transporting the crude across national borders) would all be involved again. Hypothetically, even if it were purposed, do you see anything being decided by oh say, 2025? You think Canada is going to wait that long to sell?
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Good idea. Cutting emissions from trucks transporting the refined oil is easier to deal with than trying to fix all the thousands of leaks that WILL occur on a 1600 mile pipeline.
It has nothing to do with trucks and emissions and everything to do with the ability to have port access. After all, trucking will be involved from the coast to inland anyway. Or if trucking is a problem, may be we ought to reconsider rebuilding the railway network?
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:49 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
The reason is so that the speculators and major oil companies can get the oil into a port city ... SO THEY CAN SELL NORTH AMERICAN OIL ON THE OPEN MARKET. So much for energy independence.
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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I have a serious question for everybody that is going insane about the Keystone pipeline not being built.

What's the reason for building it?
If it is to get the oil to the refineries, wouldn't it be easier to just build a refinery in North Dakota?
Apparently the OP doesn't know that the only refinery built in the USA in the past 35 years is indeed already in operation in North Dakota. IIRC, it is located on the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation and operated by the Tesoro Corp. .
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Question is, is it more cost effective to upgrade the nd infrastructure and the long term transportation costs of a refinery there, vs the short term high cost of the pipeline, to an area where easy transportation is already in place. Where the refineries are already built?

More then a black and white issue. But I'm for jobs, and the nd solution sounds like it would create more long term jobs.
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Old 01-25-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: N. Ga
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Or if trucking is a problem, may be we ought to reconsider rebuilding the railway network?
Because the railroad is so environmentally and energy-conscious?
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