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Old 01-27-2012, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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This sounds like paradise to me. In my town in Jersey nobody knew each other or cared about their neighbors....all wrapped up in their own suburban "equal" utopia. It sounds like your area is good people. I'm Irish and damn proud of it so I'd fit right in!
It is a good area...I've traveled extensively looking for the "green grass"...25 odd years later I realized I was raised on it
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Old 01-27-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I truly hope he intended to kill them. You NEVER pull and fire a gun, unless your intent is to kill someone. (Use of Lethal Force, 101).

Where did you get that rule? Allow me to tell you what is actually correct:

You shoot to stop the threat. If you hit the perp once in the arm and he stops the attack that's all you need to do. You wouldn't continue to fire if he were on the ground and no longer presenting a threat. You then hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive. Wake up.....
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Old 01-27-2012, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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And you know this how?



Agree the kids are thugs but yes, there is just as much of a possibility the old man set this up.



What I've said over and over IT'S NOT BEYOND THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY

You can go on an on about this until the end of time and your asinine point of view will never be right. The man had the legal right to be in that public place. The teens violated the law and his legal rights by attacking him. End of story. Fortunately the law doesn't align with your hogwash either as they have already stated this was a clean self defense shoot.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Yes, killing children to maintain status quo failure of fatherhood is GOOD.
I agree with you here harborlady. But we also need to tell the woman who views the no good ex-con thug down the street as a good sperm donor to use her head.
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Old 01-27-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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I just want to be clear that I'm not some gun hating liberal. I just hate waste and to me when I see these young men in the inner city who are in gangs and breaking the law--those are all wasted lives. I do believe honestly that we are all born absolutely equal in God's eyes. I will probably be called a Nazi or worse but maybe it is time to think of the child above all else and yes that includes the feelings and rights of the person who did a simple biological function-got pregnant and brought a baby to term. As far as I'm concerned from that point on the baby has equal rights to have a happy, balanced life.

I know many people are not crazy about having the government in their lives but there has to be a solution to this problem. We cannot stop people from getting pregnant and having babies but as far as I'm concerned we CAN CONTROL the destiny of that innocent child.

Hard choices have to be made. Babies have to be taken away from irresponsible mothers.
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Old 01-27-2012, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I just want to be clear that I'm not some gun hating liberal. I just hate waste and to me when I see these young men in the inner city who are in gangs and breaking the law--those are all wasted lives. I do believe honestly that we are all born absolutely equal in God's eyes. I will probably be called a Nazi or worse but maybe it is time to think of the child above all else and yes that includes the feelings and rights of the person who did a simple biological function-got pregnant and brought a baby to term. As far as I'm concerned from that point on the baby has equal rights to have a happy, balanced life.

I know many people are not crazy about having the government in their lives but there has to be a solution to this problem. We cannot stop people from getting pregnant and having babies but as far as I'm concerned we CAN CONTROL the destiny of that innocent child.

Hard choices have to be made. Babies have to be taken away from irresponsible mothers.
How ? You are NOT in the home raising the child. Values get instilled by the parents. You are the product of your upbringing and no government program can change that. Bad parents are bad parents no matter how much money you give them.

In today's society removing the kids is rare.
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Where did you get that rule? Allow me to tell you what is actually correct:

You shoot to stop the threat. If you hit the perp once in the arm and he stops the attack that's all you need to do. You wouldn't continue to fire if he were on the ground and no longer presenting a threat. You then hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive. Wake up.....
I'm not a lawyer or anything but I've had numerous people who know about this type of stuff tell me that you should always shoot to kill, otherwise in court they can use the fact that you only shot the attacker in the arm or leg as evidence that you weren't genuinely afraid for your life, assuming you're not living in TX or FL of course.

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Hard choices have to be made. Babies have to be taken away from irresponsible mothers.
Between that and this, it's not a hard choice at all.
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Old 01-27-2012, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Babies have to be taken away from irresponsible mothers.
And then what?
Foster care is a joke, there arent enough people willing to adopt.....whats your solution?
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And then what?
Foster care is a joke, there arent enough people willing to adopt.....whats your solution?
State run orphanages ? That would bring us full circle wouldn't it ?
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Old 01-27-2012, 01:45 PM
 
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Default Nope, adam, it's all about you

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I agree with you here harborlady. But we also need to tell the woman who views the no good ex-con thug down the street as a good sperm donor to use her head.
Ahhh but who TAUGHT her otherwise??? Listen to theologians peddling demented philosophes estranging half the species from the other half and realize that for females in USA, this is a 'noman's land' existence in a nation she was born into but not actually welcome. She has less representation than slaves who were recognized in some percentage. She's a feminazi if she says no. She's a 'manhater' if she refuses to associate with boy-men. She's a criminal if she refuses to marry a thug. A criminal for saying yes to life, and a criminal saying no to life. If she fails to figure insanity for what it is by the age of 14, including all the tragic flaws in her parents, she 'made her bed, now lie in it'? The only thing poor kids inherit in America is debt on every conceivable level of their existence, and insult to injury, they're getting blamed for the debt too! Spiritual, psychological, fiscal... go on and flesh this out in 5d. It's hideous, applicable to both genders, but moreso to females when the structure of civilization isn't compatible with their existence. America puts it's money where it's mouth is. It values it's women measured in dollars spent on porn. That's the FACT JILL. So bring it on home, Mr Joshua. What do you value? Is it a vice or is it worthy of promotion? Who is responsible for what you value or don't? Womankind?

Your argument would only have credibility if there were legitimate alternatives. If the boy next door she might be dating someday had his head on straight. Do any of them these days? Or is the expectation of mankind to be perpetually entertained more important than everything else?

Mr Joshua if you had to live out the rules (written and unwritten socially) applicable to my side of gender, you'd go out of your cotton pickin mind beating your brains on brick walls. Go on and imagine your constitution reads "all women are created equal", "no dogs allowed" applies to yourself, and paid testimonial representation given a multi million $ microphone has the unmittigated gaul to stand up at a podium and announce that dogs don't deserve equal pay because they don't work. Frankly, I think that's why men are nuts presently only they aren't connecting the dots. Physical labor is grossly undervalued, and now, construction workers get a heaping dose of how the work of women is undervalued yet persist in the bizarre rationalization that they've been 'feminized' and women stole their jobs. How does it feel when half the country mandates pacifism to the other half with no regard for circumstances? What's bad for me is also bad for them, the kids, the community, and the nation. It's best all wise up to that fact. I'd rather men not be fiscally obliged into prostitution the way women have, but bad for the gander is bad for the goose equally. Honor starts here. It starts with where our values are. When good women are relentlessly punished for doing the right thing, what is civilization saying? What are you saying? Think.

Want to solve low self esteem of these girls? Teach them their right to defend themselves. Not just with fire arms, but on every conceivable level. If you think you can be a better woman than I, knock yourself out! I challenge you to walk in these shoes (not as a tranny, but logically). It's long past time you catch up on your homework imagining a world where your daughter can live just as healthy as your son. Imagining an appropriate and respectful relationship between genders that is above and beyond obsessive compulsive sexual gratification disorder.
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