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Old 01-26-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Now obviously you wont get this as a fresh out of HS kid at 18 but this is what we need to aim for. It also shows the huge skills gap we have as a nation if they have to have a $2500 sign on bonus.

Find Jobs - $2500 SIGN ON BONUS - CNC Machinist Jobs in Houston, Texas - FMC Technologies

HS education. $2500 sign on. clean factory. Min pay $20 an hour.
crazy benefits (I never had bennies like this)
>•Benefits: Medical, Dental, and Vision Benefits•401(k): FMC offers a competitive 401(k) plan with generous matching contributions for non-union full-time and part-time employees working at least 20 hours per week. If you choose to participate in the 401(k), FMC will match your contributions dollar for dollar, up to the first 5% of your eligible pay (up to IRS limits). For those eligible non-union employees hired or rehired on or after January 2, 2010, FMC also provides a company contribution of 4% of eligible pay-whether you participate in the plan or not.•Paid Time Off (PTO): You earn PTO based on your years of service with FMC. These days can be used for any reason-vacation, personal time, family illness, occasional sick days, etc. •Extras: The FMC EXTRAS Program is a voluntary benefits and discount program. This includes home and auto insurance, pet insurance, home electronics, personal computers, wireless phones, mortgage program, automotive discounts, deals on travel and entertainment, and much more.•Facility: Clean environment with high safety standards. Free parking with secured access. On-site cafeteria and dining facility.

We need a much more hands on practical education for hour HS thru 22 year olds. THIS is what we need to be aiming our non college bound kids for. We need less of the one size fits all pump them out without true skills education. Other things like electrician, plumbing, millwright, etc. Truck driver and welder for those with lesser math skills. etc.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:21 AM
 
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Saw this:

Now obviously you wont get this as a fresh out of HS kid at 18 but this is what we need to aim for. It also shows the huge skills gap we have as a nation if they have to have a $2500 sign on bonus.

Find Jobs - $2500 SIGN ON BONUS - CNC Machinist Jobs in Houston, Texas - FMC Technologies

HS education. $2500 sign on. clean factory. Min pay $20 an hour.
crazy benefits (I never had bennies like this)
>•Benefits: Medical, Dental, and Vision Benefits•401(k): FMC offers a competitive 401(k) plan with generous matching contributions for non-union full-time and part-time employees working at least 20 hours per week. If you choose to participate in the 401(k), FMC will match your contributions dollar for dollar, up to the first 5% of your eligible pay (up to IRS limits). For those eligible non-union employees hired or rehired on or after January 2, 2010, FMC also provides a company contribution of 4% of eligible pay-whether you participate in the plan or not.•Paid Time Off (PTO): You earn PTO based on your years of service with FMC. These days can be used for any reason-vacation, personal time, family illness, occasional sick days, etc. •Extras: The FMC EXTRAS Program is a voluntary benefits and discount program. This includes home and auto insurance, pet insurance, home electronics, personal computers, wireless phones, mortgage program, automotive discounts, deals on travel and entertainment, and much more.•Facility: Clean environment with high safety standards. Free parking with secured access. On-site cafeteria and dining facility.

We need a much more hands on practical education for hour HS thru 22 year olds. THIS is what we need to be aiming our non college bound kids for. We need less of the one size fits all pump them out without true skills education. Other things like electrician, plumbing, millwright, etc. Truck driver and welder for those with lesser math skills. etc.
There are trade schools, apprenticeship programs, and community college degrees for these positions.

All those licensed electricians, plumbers, and truck drivers who have come to my casa learned their trades somewhere and it was not at Harvard.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking SO Ironic...

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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
Saw this:

Now obviously you wont get this as a fresh out of HS kid at 18 but this is what we need to aim for. It also shows the huge skills gap we have as a nation if they have to have a $2500 sign on bonus.

Find Jobs - $2500 SIGN ON BONUS - CNC Machinist Jobs in Houston, Texas - FMC Technologies

HS education. $2500 sign on. clean factory. Min pay $20 an hour.
crazy benefits (I never had bennies like this)
>•Benefits: Medical, Dental, and Vision Benefits•401(k): FMC offers a competitive 401(k) plan with generous matching contributions for non-union full-time and part-time employees working at least 20 hours per week. If you choose to participate in the 401(k), FMC will match your contributions dollar for dollar, up to the first 5% of your eligible pay (up to IRS limits). For those eligible non-union employees hired or rehired on or after January 2, 2010, FMC also provides a company contribution of 4% of eligible pay-whether you participate in the plan or not.•Paid Time Off (PTO): You earn PTO based on your years of service with FMC. These days can be used for any reason-vacation, personal time, family illness, occasional sick days, etc. •Extras: The FMC EXTRAS Program is a voluntary benefits and discount program. This includes home and auto insurance, pet insurance, home electronics, personal computers, wireless phones, mortgage program, automotive discounts, deals on travel and entertainment, and much more.•Facility: Clean environment with high safety standards. Free parking with secured access. On-site cafeteria and dining facility.

We need a much more hands on practical education for hour HS thru 22 year olds. THIS is what we need to be aiming our non college bound kids for. We need less of the one size fits all pump them out without true skills education. Other things like electrician, plumbing, millwright, etc. Truck driver and welder for those with lesser math skills. etc.

I see that job is in Houston.

Perfect!

Remember a guy by the name of Ross Perot?

Back in the mid-late 80s, he almost single-handedly ran a campaign to run vocational/tech education out of the public schools in Texas. And he succeeded. Then, a few years later, here's another "Texas genius" getting a lot of support in a run for the presidency.

Down here Texas way, we got more'n our share o' these here "politcal genius" fellers.

Perot

Dubya

Perry

Keep your eyes open, cuz we got some more on deck.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:29 AM
 
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That's how they do it in Europe. I don't understand why people believe that everyone has to go to college. The purpose of schools is to teach skills, somewhere along the line we lost that.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's how they do it in Europe. I don't understand why people believe that everyone has to go to college. The purpose of schools is to teach skills, somewhere along the line we lost that.
That is what the system is today because that is what the government wants. There will always be a need for vocational education yet the government thinks everyone should go to college and get a high paying white collar job in a cushy office.

Who did they think would take over the jobs of the plumbers, electricians, car mechanics ?

Now you have everyone on an academic track whether they have the skills or not. If they don't they just drop out at 17 or slide by with that HS diploma and end up in retail/fast food because of lack of skills.

We are reaping what we sowed.

We used to have a good education system with both academic/vocational tracks in HS and it worked.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb It's "child worship"

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That's how they do it in Europe. I don't understand why people believe that everyone has to go to college.
Didn't you know?

Here in the US, every child is "above average."

Parents won't tolerate their kid being sent off on a vocational tangent.

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The purpose of schools is to teach skills, somewhere along the line we lost that.

No...

The purpose of the schools has become to reinforce the neuroses of parents.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That is what the system is today because that is what the government wants. There will always be a need for vocational education yet the government thinks everyone should go to college and get a high paying white collar job in a cushy office.
The "government" isn't behind this. It's the demands of the public who selects that government.

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Who did they think would take over the jobs of the plumbers, electricians, car mechanics ?

Now you have everyone on an academic track whether they have the skills or not. If they don't they just drop out at 17 or slide by with that HS diploma and end up in retail/fast food because of lack of skills.

We are reaping what we sowed.

We used to have a good education system with both academic/vocational tracks in HS and it worked.
Yep.

It wasn't broke, but we sure "fixed" it.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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To the OP:

You don't mean "change" the education system. You mean go back to what we used to have.
Before all the social changes got into it.

When you promote "everyone is a winner" then no one wins because the bar has to get lowered so the lowest can win as well.
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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That is what the system is today because that is what the government wants. There will always be a need for vocational education yet the government thinks everyone should go to college and get a high paying white collar job in a cushy office.

Who did they think would take over the jobs of the plumbers, electricians, car mechanics ?

Now you have everyone on an academic track whether they have the skills or not. If they don't they just drop out at 17 or slide by with that HS diploma and end up in retail/fast food because of lack of skills.

We are reaping what we sowed.

We used to have a good education system with both academic/vocational tracks in HS and it worked.
The problem is that we as a society don't value public education, we value private education. If you don't feel that providing affordable public education to our society is imporant, then you will have a horrible educational system. Fault the government all you want, but in the end they perform up to the standard society holds them accountable to. Imagine if our military performed as poorly as our public schools, we the public would not tolerate it. Public schools suck because the majority of the public doesn't care
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Old 01-26-2012, 08:41 AM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
Saw this:

Now obviously you wont get this as a fresh out of HS kid at 18 but this is what we need to aim for. It also shows the huge skills gap we have as a nation if they have to have a $2500 sign on bonus.

Find Jobs - $2500 SIGN ON BONUS - CNC Machinist Jobs in Houston, Texas - FMC Technologies

HS education. $2500 sign on. clean factory. Min pay $20 an hour.
crazy benefits (I never had bennies like this)
>•Benefits: Medical, Dental, and Vision Benefits•401(k): FMC offers a competitive 401(k) plan with generous matching contributions for non-union full-time and part-time employees working at least 20 hours per week. If you choose to participate in the 401(k), FMC will match your contributions dollar for dollar, up to the first 5% of your eligible pay (up to IRS limits). For those eligible non-union employees hired or rehired on or after January 2, 2010, FMC also provides a company contribution of 4% of eligible pay-whether you participate in the plan or not.•Paid Time Off (PTO): You earn PTO based on your years of service with FMC. These days can be used for any reason-vacation, personal time, family illness, occasional sick days, etc. •Extras: The FMC EXTRAS Program is a voluntary benefits and discount program. This includes home and auto insurance, pet insurance, home electronics, personal computers, wireless phones, mortgage program, automotive discounts, deals on travel and entertainment, and much more.•Facility: Clean environment with high safety standards. Free parking with secured access. On-site cafeteria and dining facility.

We need a much more hands on practical education for hour HS thru 22 year olds. THIS is what we need to be aiming our non college bound kids for. We need less of the one size fits all pump them out without true skills education. Other things like electrician, plumbing, millwright, etc. Truck driver and welder for those with lesser math skills. etc.
I'm a teacher and I largely agree with you. It's borderline insane to "pretend" everyone is going or even needs to go to college.
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