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Old 01-27-2012, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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The defendant was never a professor of constitutional law this is another myth spun by Obama's handlers.
Statement Regarding Barack Obama

The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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We are saying a BC has been altered by Obama's operatives. A brother cannot obtain his sister's vault bc..he had to file suit..the Hawaii attorney general filed a motion to deny. My God..a brother cannot get the original certificate. Why the heck not? Freeper Danae received hers. A Fogbow Obot james777 had to pay a 200.00 bet. The Obot bet she could not.

The birth BC is what $10...and 5 Hawaii govt attorneys are working furiously to prevent its release. The Justice Department and the Obama campaign do not want Virginia's original BC released to her own brother. What are they hiding.
Nobody gets their "vault bc". That document belongs to the state. And my brothers can't get my birth certificate; of course they haven't tried, since it's none of their business.

You have no proof that the Justice Department or the Obama campaign have anything to do with the conflict between "Virginia's" brother and the state. You've made a leap with no foundation.

You've made many leaps with no foundation.

What exactly do you think "Virginia's" birth certificate will prove, anyway? The State of Hawaii has officially declared, repeatedly, that Obama's birth certificate is valid. Is this the birther's attempt to attack the credibility of the State of Hawaii?
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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i do think it is amazing that our president would choose to ignore a court order. why not show up and defend your position
Obama and his legal counsel failed to show up because they can't prove Obama is a natural born citizen. By reading the Congressional Record and seeing exactly what the drafters of the 14th Amendment meant when they included the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' clause, it's obvious Obama isn't even a 14th Amendment citizen.

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"What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means"
A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

"not owing allegiance to anybody else"

The Democratic National Committee already admitted the truth on their Fight The Smears project website: Obama's citizenship status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 via his non-U.S. citizen father. Obama's counsel isn't that foolish. They know that fact can and will be used against them in a court of law. ...which is exactly why they've been fighting furiously to have cases dismissed on procedural grounds instead of actually having cases adjudicated on the merits.

Approximately 40 million U.S. citizens have dual nationality and conflicting allegiances (source: The 50% American, Georgetown University Press), like Obama, so this affects only about 13% of the U.S. population.

How about if the Democrats nominate someone from the other 87% who actually IS a natural born citizen?
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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I've never given the birther's much credence. It always seemed more like a desperate grasping at any straw to get that scary black man out of the White House than a stand on any kind of principles.

BINGO!!!

However...I find it more than curious that the President's lawyer boycotted the proceedings in Georgia. Why? Wouldn't it have been simpler to just show up, hand over the documents the judge subpoenaed and put this whole thing to rest?

The birther movement will NEVER let it rest. As you observed, there is a black man in the white house, and he must be removed.

I hope the judge issues a bench warrant against both the President and his lawyer and the next time they come to Georgia, he has them picked up and brought to court. Even a President cannot just ignore the law.

Hope all you want, there's no way that's happening.
There's a reason the birther movement is 0-fer-97
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Below is a summary list of the physical evidence introduced in yesterday's hearing in GA.

P2. Affidavit of Senior Deportation Officer with the Department of Homeland Security John Sampson, showing that Obama is using Connecticut SSN 042-68-4425

p3. Affidavit of Adobe Illustrator expert Felicito Papa, showing Obama's alleged true and correct copy of his birth certificate to be a computer generated forgery

P4. Affidavit of witness Linda Jordan, attesting to the fact, that SSN 042-68-4425, used by Obama, does not pass E-Verify

p6. Selective service certificate showing Obama using SSN 042-68-4425 and official printout from Social Security Number Verification Services, showing that 042-68-4425 was never issued to Barack Obama, attached e-mail from Colonel Gregory Hollister

p7. Affidavit of Adobe Illustrator expert Felicito Papa, showing that Obama is using CT SSN 042-68-4425 on his 2009 tax returns

p9. Hawaiian birth certificate 61-00637 of Susan Nordyke, born a few hours after Obama in Kapiolani Hospital, looks completely different from alleged copy of birth certificate of Obama

p10. Passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, mother of Barack Obama, showing Obama listed in her passport under the name Barack Obama Soebarkah, attached affidavit by Chris Strunk, recipient of Obama's passport records under FOIA

p11. Barack Obama's Indonesian school registration card #203, date accepted January 1, 1968, released by the Associated Press in Indonesia, showing him using last name Soetoro and listing citizenship -Indonesia....



"Since Obama and his attorney chose not to be present a defense and dispute the evidence that was presented, this can be taken as an admission that all of the evidence admitted were indeed facts and may not be disputed at a later time on appeal!"




Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...#ixzz1kfz1w4Ms
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Old 01-27-2012, 09:12 AM
 
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And yet the complete disconnect between what you hallucinate are "historical facts" and what actually are the historical facts could not be more glaring.
So, your claim is that the actual historic Congressional record is wrong? Really? That's what you're going to stake your integrity and reputation on? Wow.

Let's recap:
Quote:
"What do we mean by ‘subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means"
A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

"not owing allegiance to anybody else"
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Obama and his legal counsel failed to show up because they can't prove Obama is a natural born citizen. By reading the Congressional Record and seeing exactly what the drafters of the 14th Amendment meant when they included the 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' clause, it's obvious Obama isn't even a 14th Amendment citizen.

A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774 - 1875

"not owing allegiance to anybody else"

The Democratic National Committee already admitted the truth on their Fight The Smears project website: Obama's citizenship status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 via his non-U.S. citizen father. Obama's counsel isn't that foolish. They know that fact can and will be used against them in a court of law. ...which is exactly why they've been fighting furiously to have cases dismissed on procedural grounds instead of actually having cases adjudicated on the merits.

Approximately 40 million U.S. citizens have dual nationality and conflicting allegiances (source: The 50% American, Georgetown University Press), like Obama, so this affects only about 13% of the U.S. population.

How about if the Democrats nominate someone from the other 87% who actually IS a natural born citizen?
Obama and his lawyer didn't show up because showing up when they weren't legally required to do so would lend credibility to the plaintiff's arguments. Those arguments are completely fallacious. They made an end-run, by submitting the birth certificate to Georgia's Secretary of State.

I don't think Jablonsky did a good job with this, and I suspect Judge Malihi was irritated by Jablonsky's shoddy work. But ultimately, Obama's birth certificate has been submitted. No matter how desperately the birther's want a Minor definition to prevail, the dicta in Minor clearly states it is not exclusively defining anything, and if the definition is not exclusive, then it can't exclude anyone. Moreover, the case didn't have anything to do with citizenship, it was about women's suffrage, and in light of subsequent amendments, it's been rendered moot.

If Georgia decides that the birth certificate is insufficient, they would essentially be challenging Hawaii regarding its validity, which they have no grounds to do. Or they could challenge the federal government on the definition of natural-born citizen, but since it is the federal government holding that birth on US soil is all that's required for natural-born citizenship (barring the exceptions of children of diplomats or persons at war with the United States), and the federal government holds jurisdiction over defining citizenship, Georgia would lose. States do not get to supercede federal jurisdiction.
 
Old 01-27-2012, 09:18 AM
 
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Below is a summary list of the physical evidence introduced in yesterday's hearing in GA.
so what? they introduced Barack's COLB and admitted that it showed he was born in Hawaii. The judge asked if they are submitting it as evidence, and they agreed.

The genius of Orly just admitted that Barack was born in the US, thereby shooting everything down with that evidence. They admitted that he was eligible by showing the COLB.

What was nice is that we now have the admittance of Susan Daniels, who committed Identity Fraud, to access social security databases and e Verify, posing as Barack Obama.


The only thing that was shown today, is that the birthers are the ones that have committed a crime.
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