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Old 01-28-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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Keep in mind that the govt. is paying for much of the food. Go to any food stamps thread and see posters shriek about how people buy junk with their food stamps; should only be allowed certain "healthy" foods (that is, foods deemed healthy by the posters, most of whom have no nutrition background).
The government shouldn't pay for junk food for the welfare recipients but also whole milk for children is not junk food.

It's a fad now that children should not ingest any kind of fat from foods. Growing bodies and brains most definitely need fats, there are what's called essential fatty acids that are critical for brain development and growth.

Most of the vitamins in milk are fat soluble which means when you remove the fat, you remove the vitamins.
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Most of the vitamins in milk are fat soluble which means when you remove the fat, you remove the vitamins.
That's not exactly true, it just means you need fat in your diet in order to absorb the vitamins. The majority of children in this country have more than enough fat in their diets without the fat from whole milk.
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That's not exactly true, it just means you need fat in your diet in order to absorb the vitamins. The majority of children in this country have more than enough fat in their diets without the fat from whole milk.
There's different types of fats though. Saturated fats in preprocessed food is not the good kind compared to the fat in milk.

If you don't drink a lot of milk switching won't make much of a difference. If these kids don't get food at home and only at school then one carton of whole milk vs skim milk won't make an impact.
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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I never said that homeschooling was the ONLY way to deal with this, I just said it was another reason to homeschool. No government intrusion what so ever. I also never said that the government told people what they could send with their kids.

people need to actually read what is posted not what they THINK they are reading between the lines.
What did I say about home schooling?
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Old 01-28-2012, 02:47 PM
 
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Yeah..how many pages on this move from whole milk to low fat milk.
In the end it's still milk.

But no outrage about having pizza classified as a vegetable so the schools can use it as healthy food now.
So Congress now tells Americans that pizza is a vegetable and we all believe them ?
Actually, I made quite a big stink about that as well.

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More hyperbole from the right.

No, Congress did not declare pizza a vegetable - The Washington Post

Let’s revisit the facts: Despite what one might expect from the headlines, if you scour the agriculture appropriations bill, referenced in numerous stories, you won’t find a single mention of the word “pizza,” or even “vegetable,” for that matter.

This is not a fight over pizza. It is, instead, a fight about tomato paste. Specifically, it’s a fight about how much of the product counts as one serving of vegetables
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People do seem to have very strong feelings about milk.
True, Congress didn't say "pizza is a vegetable." What they said was that the miniscule amount of tomato paste on a slice of pizza qualified that slice of pizza as "1 vegetable" on the plate. So, in essence, and as shown in practice countless times in the real world, this allows schools to satisfy the gov't regulation of "1 vegetable" in the school lunch with a slice of frozen pizza.

So, Congress may not have said "pizza is a vegetable" but their ruling about the tomato paste, in effect, made it so.

The thing to remember is that not all schools are like Mrs. Skeffington's. Many don't even have kitchens! The food comes frozen off of a SYSCO truck, it's of the cheapest choice and quality that can be bought that {wink wink} "meets the government mandates." It's rarely fresh food. It's french fries, frozen pizza, and chicken nuggets, heated up and served with a sugar-filled chocolate milk.

Sadly, these kinds of school lunch programs tend to be in the poorest communities and inner cities. The places where a proper, healthy school lunch is MOST needed.
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Old 01-28-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There is absolutely no consensus on this theory. Especially considering the age most children are introduced to cow's milk, and the age of onset of Type 1 diabetes in children occurs roughly at the same time. Correlation does not imply causation.
This is true. But biochemistry + immunology + laboratory confirmation + correlation = a damn good theory.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:23 PM
 
Location: California
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Nobody really cares about this do they? It's just an exercise in debate. It has to be.
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Old 01-28-2012, 05:50 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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It's the old "conservatives get into a tizzy" story.

All a school has to do is ban the sale of M&Ms in a vending machine and out come the nutcases with their tinfoil hats screeching about socialist state /Michele Obama / nanny state telling them what they can and cannot do and how it is their consitutional right to feed their kids greaseburgers on a Krispy Kreme bun if they want to.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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It's the old "conservatives get into a tizzy" story.

All a school has to do is ban the sale of M&Ms in a vending machine and out come the nutcases with their tinfoil hats screeching about socialist state /Michele Obama / nanny state telling them what they can and cannot do and how it is their consitutional right to feed their kids greaseburgers on a Krispy Kreme bun if they want to.
Yup. Do you remember when soda machines were removed from schools? One would have thought the word Allah had been added to the Pledge of Allegiance people got so hysterical.
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yup. Do you remember when soda machines were removed from schools? One would have thought the word Allah had been added to the Pledge of Allegiance people got so hysterical.
When my son went to 6th grade there were soda machines there.
The PTO the previous year had started a drive to have them removed and the incoming 6th grade parents all got letters. I signed of course because left on their own..kids will choose soda over milk/juice/water.

It was the parents of the incoming 6th grade who signed the petition that got the attention of the administration and those machines were removed.

FWIW the soda companies were giving kickbacks to the schools for those machines. It was called "Cokes for kickbacks" contract between Coke and the schools and the schools got money for each coke sold.

In my son's school..the machines were IN the cafeteria. Then the parental uproar. School moved the machines to the halls just outside the cafeteria.
Brilliant move..didn't stop the soda buying and now parents even more outraged. Machines finally gone. Now this was one year before the state moved in and got all the soda machines out of all the schools in Texas.

This is an article about the Texas "Cokes for kickbacks" contracts
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...iKqr7dKQuOaDtQ
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