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Old 01-28-2012, 06:50 PM
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Actually, I made quite a big stink about that as well.



True, Congress didn't say "pizza is a vegetable." What they said was that the miniscule amount of tomato paste on a slice of pizza qualified that slice of pizza as "1 vegetable" on the plate. So, in essence, and as shown in practice countless times in the real world, this allows schools to satisfy the gov't regulation of "1 vegetable" in the school lunch with a slice of frozen pizza.

So, Congress may not have said "pizza is a vegetable" but their ruling about the tomato paste, in effect, made it so.

The thing to remember is that not all schools are like Mrs. Skeffington's. Many don't even have kitchens! The food comes frozen off of a SYSCO truck, it's of the cheapest choice and quality that can be bought that {wink wink} "meets the government mandates." It's rarely fresh food. It's french fries, frozen pizza, and chicken nuggets, heated up and served with a sugar-filled chocolate milk.

Sadly, these kinds of school lunch programs tend to be in the poorest communities and inner cities. The places where a proper, healthy school lunch is MOST needed.
What they wanted to say was that a slice of pizza CONTAINS a serving of vegetables. It's like saying a tuna casserole CONTAINS a serving of tuna. I happen to disagree that such a small amount of tomato sauce is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables, but no on is saying pizza IS a vegetable.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:07 PM
 
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We seem to be health food fanatics these days which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But growing up I don't remember anyone saying you shouldn't eat something because it's bad for you. We ate fried foods, lots of butter and whole milk, sugar and salt.....you name it. Yet there was no obesity problem with kids. The real problem is that kids don't get out and play any more. They are too busy with their computers and cable tv and iphones and video games. No wonder they're getting fat, they are couch potatoes. It's ridiculous to think that banning some foods will help the obesity problem. How about mandatory exercise for them.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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This is an article about the Texas "Cokes for kickbacks" contracts
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...iKqr7dKQuOaDtQ
Interesting article, thanks for posting it.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What they wanted to say was that a slice of pizza CONTAINS a serving of vegetables. It's like saying a tuna casserole CONTAINS a serving of tuna. I happen to disagree that such a small amount of tomato sauce is the equivalent of a serving of vegetables, but no on is saying pizza IS a vegetable.
No, what they are saying is that pizza counts as a serving of vegetables.

Nit picking over specific words doesn't change the fact that schools can serve pizza and have it count as a vegetable. The cheese on that pizza is worse in saturated fats then whole milk so what did they win ?
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:40 PM
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No, what they are saying is that pizza counts as a serving of vegetables.

Nit picking over specific words doesn't change the fact that schools can serve pizza and have it count as a vegetable. The cheese on that pizza is worse in saturated fats then whole milk so what did they win ?
No, they are not. That is RWNJ hyperbole.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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No, they are not. That is RWNJ hyperbole.
Gee..Huffpost is now rightwing ?
And pizza was already being counted as a vegetable. The USDA wanted to up the amount of tomato paste on the pizza and the food industry said NO.

How Pizza Became A Vegetable Through The Magic Of Influence-Peddling
"The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a vegetable, as it is now."
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:59 PM
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Gee..Huffpost is now rightwing ?
And pizza was already being counted as a vegetable. The USDA wanted to up the amount of tomato paste on the pizza and the food industry said NO.

How Pizza Became A Vegetable Through The Magic Of Influence-Peddling
"The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a vegetable, as it is now."
Read the last sentence you posted for comprehension. I will add the emphasis for you. Tomato paste on pizzas, not the pizza itself. You quoted it; you own it.
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:00 PM
 
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Although we always think of tomato's as vegetables I thought technically tomato's were considered fruit...
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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Read the last sentence you posted for comprehension. I will add the emphasis for you. Tomato paste on pizzas, not the pizza itself. You quoted it; you own it.
What..the kids are going to lick off the paste and throw the rest away ?
No, they are going to get the entire pizza and eat it.

The tomato paste on pizza allows the pizza to be counted as a vegetable on that kids tray.

One slice of pizza and cup of broccoli..kid has 2 vegetables.
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:58 PM
 
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What..the kids are going to lick off the paste and throw the rest away ?
No, they are going to get the entire pizza and eat it.

The tomato paste on pizza allows the pizza to be counted as a vegetable on that kids tray.


One slice of pizza and cup of broccoli..kid has 2 vegetables.
Exactly. Worse then that, they can serve a slice of pizza and some french fries and call it "2 vegetables."

I'm not sure exactly what you are arguing here Katiana. I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding the points we are making because I thought we were on the same side on this one.

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The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed earlier this year. These include limiting the use of potatoes on the lunch line, putting new restrictions on sodium and boosting the use of whole grains. The legislation would block or delay all of those efforts.

The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to only count a half-cup of tomato paste or more as a vegetable, and a serving of pizza has less than that.

Nutritionists say the whole effort is reminiscent of the Reagan administration's much-ridiculed attempt 30 years ago to classify ketchup as a vegetable to cut costs. This time around, food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt industry and potato growers requested the changes and lobbied Congress.
Pizza may not be "a vegetable" but the miniscule amount of tomato paste on it allows it to count as "1 serving of vegetables."

The Obama administration tried to change the law so that pizza couldn't be slipped in as "1 serving of vegetables" anymore by requiring a LOT more tomato sauce then is on a slice of frozen pizza to make it count. But the GOP and their Big Ag (Sysco, et al) lobbyists rough it.
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