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Old 04-15-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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There is no war on drugs.

The Mexican cartels have absolutely no trouble bringing tons of drugs every day over the open border.

Just like Whitney Houston had no trouble getting whatever amount of cocaine she tried to get and now she's dead because drugs aren't as safe as the pro-drug crowd likes to claim.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:08 PM
 
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There is no war on drugs.
Tell that to the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of people who are rotting away in prison for possessing or distributing substances our overlords have deemed contraband.

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The Mexican cartels have absolutely no trouble bringing tons of drugs every day over the open border.
True. So what? Were drugs legalized, the cartels would be PUT OUT OF BUSINESS, as legitimate businesses take over the market. You know, businesses who compete based on things like price, value, convenience, and availability. As opposed to shooting at each other.

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Just like Whitney Houston had no trouble getting whatever amount of cocaine she tried to get and now she's dead because drugs aren't as safe as the pro-drug crowd likes to claim.
First, I've seen nobody claim that drugs are risk-free. But so what? There are many things in life that kill people at age 48. Earlier, even.

Motorcycles.

For that matter, cars. Airplanes, too.

Fatty foods.

Alcohol.

Ladders.

Swimming pools.

Stairs.

I could go on and on, but my point is made. Life is dangerous, and ain't none of us getting out of here alive. For those who want to use mind altering substances during their brief existence, who in the hell are the rest of us to tell them they can't?
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Obama is wrong.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...ot-the-answer/
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Old 04-15-2012, 11:24 PM
 
Location: Johnson City, Tn
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:23 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Ironic ain't?
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Warren County and loving it!
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There is no war on drugs.

The Mexican cartels have absolutely no trouble bringing tons of drugs every day over the open border.

Just like Whitney Houston had no trouble getting whatever amount of cocaine she tried to get and now she's dead because drugs aren't as safe as the pro-drug crowd likes to claim.
It's called choice and she chose to take the drugs. Just like an alcoholic chooses to drink themselves to death. No laws are going to change that. It's a waste of time and money.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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The National Research Council Committee on Data and Research for Policy on Illegal Drugs published its findings on the efficacy of the drug war. The NRC Committee found that existing studies on efforts to address drug usage and smuggling, from U.S. military operations to eradicate coca fields in Colombia, to domestic drug treatment centers, have all been inconclusive, if the programs have been evaluated at all: "The existing drug-use monitoring systems are strikingly inadequate to support the full range of policy decisions that the nation must make.... It is unconscionable for this country to continue to carry out a public policy of this magnitude and cost without any way of knowing whether and to what extent it is having the desired effect."

The study, though not ignored by the press, was ignored by top-level policymakers, leading Committee Chair Charles Manski to conclude, as one observer notes, that "the drug war has no interest in its own results."

During alcohol prohibition, the period from 1920 to 1933, alcohol use initially fell but began to increase as early as 1922. It has been extrapolated that even if prohibition had not been repealed in 1933, alcohol consumption would have quickly surpassed pre-prohibition levels .

One argument against the War on Drugs is that it uses similar measures as Prohibition and is no more effective.
In the six years from 2000–2006, the USA spent $4.7 billion on Plan Colombia, an effort to eradicate coca production in Colombia. The main result of this effort was to shift coca production into more remote areas and force other forms of adaptation.

The overall acreage cultivated for coca in Colombia at the end of the six years was found to be the same, after the U.S. Drug Czar's office announced a change in measuring methodology in 2005 and included new areas in its surveys. Cultivation in the neighboring countries of Peru and Bolivia actually increased.

Similar lack of efficacy is observed in some other countries pursuing similar policies. In 1994, 28.5% of Canadians reported having consumed illicit drugs in their life; by 2004, that figure had risen to 45%. 73% of the $368 million spent by the Canadian government on targeting illicit drugs in 2004–2005 went toward law enforcement rather than treatment, prevention or harm reduction.


Richard Davenport-Hines, in his book The Pursuit of Oblivion, criticized the efficacy of the War on Drugs by pointing out that:

10–15% of illicit heroin and 30% of illicit cocaine is intercepted. Drug traffickers have gross profit margins of up to 300%. At least 75% of illicit drug shipments would have to be intercepted before the traffickers' profits were hurt.

War on Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well I think we should make it legal because maybe saving a few hundred billion and reducing the federal debt spending and stoping the cartels flow of cash is a good thing and maybe the money could be to create jobs in this bad economy and fix all our faling apart roads and infastructure which would create jobs

But things that start making sense and help our economy and reduce the federal debt never seem to get approved no matter who or what party is running either of our countries.

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Old 04-18-2012, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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I will wager that many more people have been killed by drug cartels than by drugs themselves.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Johnson City, Tn
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Weeee... someone went 180 degrees.

"The former U.S. district attorney who prosecuted B.C. marijuana activist Marc Emery in a cross-border sting is calling for the legalization and taxation of pot in Canada and the U.S."


Marc Emery's U.S. prosecutor urges pot legalization - British Columbia - CBC News

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Old 04-18-2012, 02:47 PM
 
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Sgt Friday says drugs are bad and that's good enough for me
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