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Old 05-30-2012, 10:15 PM
 
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Please, explain how this will work.



When was the last time someone ate the face off another individual while consuming alcohol?
When was the last time when anyone ate the face off another individual in real life as opposed to in a fictional context in a horror movie?

What happened in Florida was a freak occurrence most likely caused by some sort of mental illness.

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Nobody is less prone to abuse alcohol simply because it's legal.
Nobody is prone to adulterate alcohol with poison as occurred during the Prohibition era when tens of thousands died because of adulterated bootleg alcohol.

As for people dying from bad drugs or being otherwise negatively affected, there are product liability laws and other tort laws that would suffice.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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Will it take this happening in the US for us to wake up? It's not far from us.

Official: 49 bodies left on Mexico highway - Yahoo! News
There is no evidence that those 49 bodies were of drug traffickers or killed for that reason. They were most likely killed because of competition over human trafficking.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:27 PM
 
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When was the last time when anyone ate the face off another individual in real life as opposed to in a fictional context in a horror movie?
Sorry, you failed to explain how we are going to be handing out these types of drugs. If you can't defend or explain your positions they are pretty worthless as positions.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:29 PM
 
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Sorry, you failed to explain how we are going to be handing out these types of drugs. If you can't defend or explain your positions they are pretty worthless as positions.
Well, if you presume that horror was caused by drugs (which I'm not so sure about), someone was obviously selling some bad stuff that was defective.

Under legalization, whoever sold said substance could be sued and it could be handled in court. Product liability law would apply.

However banning something just because a deranged individual can't handle it is an insult to responsible adults in society. That would be like banning the Bible because of the crimes of Charles Manson, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Scott Roeder, and other Christian maniacs, banning the Quran because of the crimes of radical Islamists, etc. Or for that matter like banning guns for law abiding individuals because of the actions of an irresponsible few.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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When was the last time when anyone ate the face off another individual in real life as opposed to in a fictional context in a horror movie?

What happened in Florida was a freak occurrence most likely caused by some sort of mental illness.



Nobody is prone to adulterate alcohol with poison as occurred during the Prohibition era when tens of thousands died because of adulterated bootleg alcohol.

As for people dying from bad drugs or being otherwise negatively affected, there are product liability laws and other tort laws that would suffice.
There was absolutely no evidence, no diagnosis of mental illness in that Miami case. The guy's friends are quite adament about that. There is nothing to indicate mental illness, no need to further try and stigmatize the mentally ill.

The only thing known at this point was he was a marijuana user.

And it's not the only case of gruesome violence that involves drug use:

A Mexican mother was arrested after allegedly gouging out the eyes of her 5-year-old son with her bare hands during a cult ritual, according to the Mexico City daily El Universal.

Officers who rushed to the scene found Carmen García, who was apparently under the influence of drugs, carrying the maimed boy in her arms, covered in blood.

Read more: Mother Gouges Out 5 Year-Old-Son's Eyes During End-of-World Ritual | Fox News Latino
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:39 PM
 
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Well, if you presume that horror was caused by drugs (which I'm not so sure about), someone was obviously selling some bad stuff that was defective.
Bath salts (which is what is said he consumed) is all defective. Just as is many other drugs.

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Under legalization, whoever sold said substance could be sued and it could be handled in court. Product liability law would apply.
Nobody has a long term good experience with things like meth.

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However banning something just because a deranged individual can't handle it is an insult to responsible adults in society. That would be like banning the Bible because of the crimes of Charles Manson, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Scott Roeder, and other Christian maniacs, banning the Quran because of the crimes of radical Islamists, etc. Or for that matter like banning guns for law abiding individuals because of the actions of an irresponsible few.
The government is never going hand out permits to sell heroin, meth, crack, etc. It's never going to happen.
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:39 PM
 
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There was absolutely no evidence, no diagnosis of mental illness in that Miami case. The guy's friends are quite adament about that. There is nothing to indicate mental illness, no need to further try and stigmatize the mentally ill.

The only thing known at this point was he was a marijuana user.
Those are not the effects of marijuana. Those definitely are the effects of some sort of mental illness. Rudy Eugene's arrest record, and statements made by his friends, strongly suggests he had some sort of mental illness, most likely schizophrenia.

Stop believing Harry Anslinger-type scare stories. There were many stories like that in the past all of which were debunked.

However, the tide might be turning in the right way:

Drug Warrior Silvestre Reyes defeated by legalization advocate


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A Mexican mother was arrested after allegedly gouging out the eyes of her 5-year-old son with her bare hands during a cult ritual, according to the Mexico City daily El Universal.
"Cult ritual" is the key here.

Religious violence has been a given as long as there have been religions.

So, should religion be banned? (More people have been killed in the name of God than the name of anything else, so by your logic it should be banned. I would oppose banning religion, but since it has a documented history of leading to violence, your nanny state logic would dictate it must be banned.)
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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Bath salts (which is what is said he consumed) is all defective. Just as is many other drugs.
Rudy Eugene was most likely schizophrenic. Take claims about substances with a grain of salt (no pun intended)

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Nobody has a long term good experience with things like meth.
Meth is a drug for which legalization arguments are very tough given that, like crack, it has inherently bad effects which do not just come from its illegality. However, in the 1960s and earlier when pharmaceutical methamphetamine was available by prescription, there were far fewer social problems associated with it. And criminalizing it is not helping relieve any problems created by it.

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The government is never going hand out permits to sell heroin, meth, crack, etc. It's never going to happen.
Because the CIA needs to fund its covert ops?
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:50 PM
 
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Rudy Eugene was most likely schizophrenic. Take claims about substances with a grain of salt (no pun intended)
Right.

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Meth is a drug for which legalization arguments are very tough given that, like crack, it has inherently bad effects which do not just come from its illegality. However, in the 1960s and earlier when pharmaceutical methamphetamine was available by prescription, there were far fewer social problems associated with it. And criminalizing it is not helping relieve any problems created by it.
It's never going to be legalized.

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Because the CIA needs to fund its covert ops?
Nope, because it would be a stupid thing to do. it's folks like yourself that make the legalization of things like pot all the harder.
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Old 05-30-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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Nope, because it would be a stupid thing to do. it's folks like yourself that make the legalization of things like pot all the harder.
I'd accept keeping meth and crack illegal if it meant legalizing weed. Those are horrible drugs - however criminalization has clearly failed. However, with no more drug enforcement resources wasted on cannabis, there would be more resources to combat them. (If the opiates and MDMA are legalized as well as cannabis, there would be even more resources to combat them). I take issue with prison being a solution. The only thing prison cures is heterosexuality.
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