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Old 05-30-2012, 11:21 PM
 
Location: USA
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Why?
Legalization is the creation of new laws. I do not support that. I do, however, support decriminalization. Decriminalization is the repeal of existing law. For example, all laws pertaining to "personal use" marijuana were decriminalized by the Alaska Supreme Court in 1974 for violating the Alaska Constitution.

"Personal use" is defined as four ounces of processed marijuana, or 20 live plants. It is still illegal to sell marijuana, because then it would not be for "personal use."
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:37 AM
 
Location: southern california
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when we stop buying dope there will be no need for any war.
more specificialy when we stop giving our kids the money to buy the dope.
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Old 05-31-2012, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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when we stop buying dope there will be no need for any war.
more specificialy when we stop giving our kids the money to buy the dope.
There will always be a segment of the population looking for a particular sort of "entertainment." We can chose to treat those who do drugs in one of three ways:
  1. Ignore the drug problem;
  2. Treat the drug problem as a medical/mental problem; or
  3. Treat the drug problem as a law enforcement problem.
So far in our history we began with #1, then jumped to #3 during the "Age of Reform." The one option we have not tried is #2.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:06 AM
 
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I'd accept keeping meth and crack illegal if it meant legalizing weed. Those are horrible drugs - however criminalization has clearly failed.
In the same way that criminalizing shoplifting has failed.

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However, with no more drug enforcement resources wasted on cannabis, there would be more resources to combat them. (If the opiates and MDMA are legalized as well as cannabis, there would be even more resources to combat them). I take issue with prison being a solution. The only thing prison cures is heterosexuality.
There you go. Stick with arguements that you can at least make a decent arguement for.
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Old 05-31-2012, 01:07 AM
 
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There will always be a segment of the population looking for a particular sort of "entertainment." We can chose to treat those who do drugs in one of three ways:
  1. Ignore the drug problem;
  2. Treat the drug problem as a medical/mental problem; or
  3. Treat the drug problem as a law enforcement problem.
So far in our history we began with #1, then jumped to #3 during the "Age of Reform." The one option we have not tried is #2.
Many abusers have had the option of rehab.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Many abusers have had the option of rehab.

So? We don't throw alcoholics in prison merely for being addicted.

In other news...


The Michigan Supreme Court, in its first major ruling on a case arising from the use of medical marijuana, said today that the state's voter-approved law on medicinal pot provides relatively broad legal protection from prosecution, even for patients who do not register for a state medical marijuana card.

Michigan Supreme Court: Medical marijuana patients safe from prosecution | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

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Old 05-31-2012, 08:05 PM
 
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There was absolutely no evidence, no diagnosis of mental illness in that Miami case. The guy's friends are quite adament about that. There is nothing to indicate mental illness, no need to further try and stigmatize the mentally ill.

The only thing known at this point was he was a marijuana user.
His estranged wife stated something along the lines that she left him because he was violent and paranoid delusional. That's pretty indicative of mental illness.

And of course, even if you want to believe drugs led this man to violence, why do we not outlaw alcohol for its effects? Why do we not outlaw caffeine for its effects? You're blaming the gun, not the shooter.

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Legalization is the creation of new laws. I do not support that. I do, however, support decriminalization. Decriminalization is the repeal of existing law. For example, all laws pertaining to "personal use" marijuana were decriminalized by the Alaska Supreme Court in 1974 for violating the Alaska Constitution.

"Personal use" is defined as four ounces of processed marijuana, or 20 live plants. It is still illegal to sell marijuana, because then it would not be for "personal use."
How is legalization the creation of new laws? Marijuana had to have a law in the first place to criminalize it. Legalizing it would be repealing the law which criminalized it in the first place. Regulating it beyond that, with being a consumable is necessary, is where your additional laws will come.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Please, explain how this will work.



When was the last time someone ate the face off another individual while consuming alcohol?



So, your suggestion is to legally sell whatever the guy in Florida took because it will then be more transparent? Nobody is less prone to abuse alcohol simply because it's legal.

I think you need to take a bit of time to think through this and try again.
You are not thinking back in the days when booze was illegal. People bought moonshine, laced with wood alcohol. They went blind. They died.

When booze became legal people opted to the safer, regulated booze as sold in the local stores. The moonshiners went out of business. The same thing would happen if other drugs were legalized. They would be regulated. They would not sell to kids. Eventually the profit would be taken out of the stuff sold on the streets now. Lots of people would have to find decent jobs. Lots of public servants would not be getting paid off. Lots of crime in our streets would stop. Our jails would be less crowded. The only down side would be that probably we would have more rehab centers.

There is no perfect world here. Hey, I would rather that alcohol would not be available. But it is better being legally sold than not.

What we must do is weigh the total weight on a society for both scenarios and legalizing seems to be way ahead.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Because the CIA needs to fund its covert ops?
You got it! Entire economies of Latin American countries are supported by the need for illegal drugs in the US. Segments of our government also depends on drug money.

People said it started with Viet Nam, when so many servicemen came back addicted that it was obvious that government agencies were on the take.

A town I once lived in (nice suburban), in the penny saver, reported a drug bust by police. I thought this was strange because some park caretaker had told me that the cops get their payoffs from a drug dealing gang from a neighboring town in a local park that they cleared out at night.

Then I read that there was some federal investigation into drugs in that state.
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