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View Poll Results: What should the federal minimum wage be in the United States?
No minimum wage - (employers/company decision) 84 45.41%
$7.25 (as of 2012) 5 2.70%
$8 3 1.62%
$9 9 4.86%
$10 29 15.68%
$11 7 3.78%
$12 19 10.27%
$13 or higher 29 15.68%
Voters: 185. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-29-2012, 01:29 PM
 
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So, we should have a race to the bottom and compete on labor prices that are $1 a day in other nations?

Sorry, lowering our wages to 3rd world levels isn't the answer.
But which is worse? People working for low wages and earning an honest living, or people being unemployed because employers have shipped low wage jobs to China?
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:08 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Picture A looks a lot like East St. Louis.

Picture B looks a lot like Detroit.

Believe it or not, the people you see in those photos are on their way UP the economic scale and actually have a better quality of life than they used to.
Based on what evidence? You seem to just use your own opinion about something and convince yourself it is true no matter how ignorant it is?
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:13 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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You almost got it right. The land where people look after their own self-interest. You are in charge of your value to society, I am in charge of mine.

The big fallacy in your mindset is in thinking that wages are some form of charity, or have something to do with social objectives. They are not. Wages are the means by which employers remit the market value of each employee's labor to them.

It is not possible to either systematically underpay or overpay employees. In the first case, they won't show up for work; in the second case, the employer will go broke.

The market value of each person's labor is highly susceptible to improvement on a wide variety of factors: attitude, productivity, skills, talents, experience. It is a tragedy that some people are unwilling to either improve their value, or be paid fairly for the market value of their labor.
You consider that a good thing that we are becoming a land where everyone looks out for themselves? Maybe to the selfish and greedy people but this will lead to us being a third world country where we have extreme riches and extreme poverty. We are not a dog eat dog society sorry if that is what you think we should be. That is the reasons we have laws and law enforcement for the good of the general people.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:14 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Pay should be based on skill, talent or value to the company period.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:28 PM
 
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My final word on the subject is this.

I feel shame for you people who want the value of your labor to be dictated by some bureaucrat.
Most people would trust the bureaucrat over the corporate CEO who would most likely bring back slave labor if left to their own devises. (See Nike)
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Old 01-29-2012, 09:07 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Pay should be based on skill, talent or value to the company period.
I do not disagree except that the fact that it should be enough for people to live on else then they have to rely on the Government.
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I do not disagree except that the fact that it should be enough for people to live on else then they have to rely on the Government.
Then where is the incentive to move up in life with a better paying job ?
Didn't we all go through that ourselves ?

Why is today any different ? No one should be thinking that a min wage job will do you for the rest of your life. Min wage should be a stepping stone to acquired skills and a better paying job.
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Old 01-30-2012, 10:39 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Then where is the incentive to move up in life with a better paying job ?
Didn't we all go through that ourselves ?

Why is today any different ? No one should be thinking that a min wage job will do you for the rest of your life. Min wage should be a stepping stone to acquired skills and a better paying job.
You do realize not everyone can move to a better paying job there are just not positions at the top. That is your opinion that no one should work min wage jobs for your whole life the many people working these jobs disagree with you. Just because you moved up does not mean everyone can or wants to move up. Some people min wage is all they can do.
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Old 01-30-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You do realize not everyone can move to a better paying job there are just not positions at the top. That is your opinion that no one should work min wage jobs for your whole life the many people working these jobs disagree with you. Just because you moved up does not mean everyone can or wants to move up. Some people min wage is all they can do.
Well a few pages back I did the math for a bump up to $12/hour.

Walmart would have to come up with $10 billion extra a year to cover that for their 1 million plus employees.
In 2009 Walmart only posted a $3.9 billion profit.

Just not feasible.
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:36 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Well a few pages back I did the math for a bump up to $12/hour.

Walmart would have to come up with $10 billion extra a year to cover that for their 1 million plus employees.
In 2009 Walmart only posted a $3.9 billion profit.

Just not feasible.
Really others disagree
http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/reta...policies11.pdf

Walmart Minimum Wage Of $12 Wouldn't Drive Up Prices, Says Study

Walmart Could Give Every U.S. Employee A $5,000 Raise - Business Insider
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