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View Poll Results: What should the federal minimum wage be in the United States?
No minimum wage - (employers/company decision) 84 45.41%
$7.25 (as of 2012) 5 2.70%
$8 3 1.62%
$9 9 4.86%
$10 29 15.68%
$11 7 3.78%
$12 19 10.27%
$13 or higher 29 15.68%
Voters: 185. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2012, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I think this should be a state issue. States aren't the same, and what may be high for a cheaper place to live may be too low for somewhere else more expensive (compare Kansas or Nebraska with Massachusetts or California)
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Old 01-28-2012, 12:01 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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That is a false statement. The federal minimum wage was rammed down their throats at gun-point.



That is a misleading statement. Ohio also has a minimum wage of $6.84/hour, however that is irrelevant since federal law requires all employees (who qualify) to be paid a minimum of $7.25/hour. In most cases, those States that have minimum wages apply them to workers who do not qualify under the federal minimum wage, and those are typically tipped employees.



That is not your opinion; it is your belief.

An opinion is a conclusion drawn from facts, and you have presented no facts to support a conclusion that:

1] there ought to be a federal minimum wage; and

2] that it ought to be $10/hour.

Minimally...

Mircea



If the people of a given State desire a Food Stamp program, then it is up to them to determine whether or not it should exist; how it should be funded; who shall qualify; and the length of time benefits should be received.

A "federal" Food Stamp program is any oxymoron, and an ill-conceived idea for the exact same reason that a federal minimum wage is an oxymoron and an ill-conceived idea.



Well, the Supreme Court also said slavery was cool, but that doesn't mean the Supreme Court was correct. You could reject the Supreme Court's ruling on the basis of duress; that the Supreme Court was intimidated, threatened and coerced by the Executive Branch.

"Franky"...


Mircea



Then you are challenged.

The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that the cost-of-living is uniform throughout the whole of the United States.

If you cannot meet that burden, then you cannot defend a federal minimum wage, since such a wage operates on the false assumption that the cost-of-living is uniform.

You don't appear to be at all upset by the fact that some people are unjustly enriched by the federal minimum wage.

Challenging...

Mircea




Uh, that's because it's full of Bonny Light crude oil from Nigeria.

Tasty...


Mircea



And you have just provided incontrovertible proof that the federal minimum wage is a total failure and should be abolished post haste.

The people on this thread who think a federal minimum wage is good live in a Reverend Jim Jones fantasy world.

The fantasy of those people is so deluded that they think the US is like Norway, with a population of 5 Million people, a single economy and a uniform cost-of-living.

They lack the intelligence and are incapable of seeing that the US has 308 Million people, and that instead of 1 economy like Norway, there are 50 separate economies that are neither inherently dependent nor inherently interdependent on each other, and that there are huge differences in the cost-of-living from area to area to region to city and State.

They also lack the intelligence to understand that each of the 50 States is geographically different, and then are unable to grasp how geography impacts economy, and that it also affects cost-of-living.

They simply cannot see that labor markets vary throughout the US, in part because they live this Reverend Jim Jones fantasy that the US is a nation-State.

Their rabid ideological fervor blinds them to the fact that some people earn $7.25/hour and enjoy a wonderful Middle Class life-style, while other people who earn the same amount, can't even afford to rent a room in a boarding house.

So what happens if we raise the federal minimum wage to $12/hour?

You unjustly enrich the person living a Middle Class life-style at $7.25/hour because they gain $4.75/hour and are now enjoying an Upper Class life-style, and yet some at $12/hour would still be working class poor or lower.

And Liberals think that's really, really cool.

If you truly want Social Justice, then abolish the federal minimum wage. Embrace the US Constitution and allow each of the several States to decide if a minimum wage is needed; how much the minimum wage should be; and to whom the minimum wage should apply.

Intelligently...

Mircea



Doesn't matter. If the employee fails to earn sufficient tips, they are still guaranteed the federal minimum wage.

The same is true for those who work on 100% Commission. Your employer must still pay you the federal minimum wage, even if your commission for the week, month or quarter was ZERO.

That also applies to certain deductions. A day labor service known as Labor Works hired laborers to clean up after sporting events. Labor Works charged the employees $10 each for transportation to and from the work-place. The Labor Department ruled that the deduction lowered their wages below the federal minimum wage, and the employees received statutory damages, as well as real damages in back-pay.

Legally...

Mircea
What people who earn min wage enjoy a middle class lifestyle? Do you even know what a middle class lifestyle is?
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Old 01-28-2012, 01:23 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Default MAJOR error in the poll question.

The first choice listed is "No minimum wage - (employers/company decision)."

There is no employer or company in the United States that has the power to unilaterally decide what the wages will be for any individual. Every person has the right to accept or reject any offer of employment and to change their mind at any time. Employers must pay a sufficiently high wage so that suitable quantities of time and skills will show up for work--they have no choice in the matter. I quit four jobs in my lifetime to pursue better circumstances, and got fired twice when the employer refused to see things my way. I never had an ounce of ill-will toward any of them, because they all paid me as agreed for the time I worked.

The correct phrasing should be "No minimum wage - (mutual agreement between employer and employee)."
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Old 01-28-2012, 06:43 AM
 
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The fantasy of those people is so deluded that they think the US is like Norway, with a population of 5 Million people, a single economy and a uniform cost-of-living.
Noways northeast border is further east than Istanbul, and further north than Alaska. The west coast is as far west as the Netherlands. The capital of Oslo is further away from the north end of Norway than it is from Rome, Italy.

The country varies dramatically in climate, distances, population density, communications and natural food supply, and has three native languages. It has no minimum adult wage except that which the market dicatates.

Why would you think cost of living in Norway would be uniform?
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Holiday, FL
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Unfortunately, the idea of "no minimum wage" is a fantasy that is not realistic at all. Without a minimum wage, corporate America will be paying many employees at a rate of $2 and $3 an hour. A single person can not support himself for that wage. Now, try to imagine a single mother trying to do that.\

The minimum wage must be high enough so that a single person can support himself/herself without any public assistance. That doesn't just mean being able to afford an apartment and food, it also means the renter's insurance and health insurance premiums. When you add that in with all the other expenses, it goes up over $10 an hour.

Today, and for the last 25 years, $40K a year has been considered a "good income". But, while it may not have been bad 25 years ago, with the increases in the costs of everything we consume, it's not a very good wage anymore. Teachers and police officers make less than that. So, either income must go up or the cost of everything we consume must go back down. I don't see anything about to go down.
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Old 01-28-2012, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Central, IL
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Unfortunately, the idea of "no minimum wage" is a fantasy that is not realistic at all. Without a minimum wage, corporate America will be paying many employees at a rate of $2 and $3 an hour. A single person can not support himself for that wage. Now, try to imagine a single mother trying to do that.\

The minimum wage must be high enough so that a single person can support himself/herself without any public assistance. That doesn't just mean being able to afford an apartment and food, it also means the renter's insurance and health insurance premiums. When you add that in with all the other expenses, it goes up over $10 an hour.

Today, and for the last 25 years, $40K a year has been considered a "good income". But, while it may not have been bad 25 years ago, with the increases in the costs of everything we consume, it's not a very good wage anymore. Teachers and police officers make less than that. So, either income must go up or the cost of everything we consume must go back down. I don't see anything about to go down.
It seems as if you live in one area and have never ventured anywhere else to make the claims of absolute that you have. You can come to my town and 40k a year is a comfortable living. Also many teachers and police officers in this country make more then 40k
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Old 01-28-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Imagine, the same wingnuts that think theworking poor shouldn't get help from the government also believe that businesses should be allowed to engage in wage slavery. Go figure....

I think we have been there before, some of you need to go tent, "Grapes of Wrath", better yet, read the book.
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Wal Mart will then raise their prices to meet these new expenses and those working for them are still in the same boat they were because that extra money they make is going towards purchasing the same products that just cost more. You could make the minimum wage $100 a hour and they will still have the same buying power they had before.
The Minimum wage does not lead to inflation(unless it is extremely high like say $80 an hour). I mean increases in pay on the top (CEO and executives) doesn't lead to price increases, but got some reason people think raising the pay of bottom and average workers will spur across the board increases in goods and services no matter how low the increase is.
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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I think the minimum wage shouldn't be arbitrary. It should be pegged at 50% or 60% of the average hourly wage (updated yearly). For example the average hourly wage is currently $23.00. This is amazing considering that $7.25(the federal minimum wage) isn't even close to being half of this.
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Old 01-28-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The Minimum wage does not lead to inflation(unless it is extremely high like say $80 an hour). I mean increases in pay on the top (CEO and executives) doesn't lead to price increases, but got some reason people think raising the pay of bottom and average workers will spur across the board increases in goods and services no matter how low the increase is.
So where does this money come from then if not increased prices ?
Do companies just settle for less profit ?

From what I see companies are doing whatever they can to cut labor costs to INCREASE profits or maintain their current profits.

If you up the min wage to $12/hour that's $4/hour increase per worker.
Walmart, with 1.5 million workers, needs to pay out an addition $6 million per hour now, or $48 million per day or $248 million per week

Where does Walmart have an extra $248 million PER WEEK ?
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