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I can't believe this is still going on. The State of Hawaii certified that the COLB was authentic. Under the full faith and credit clause, that's the end of the story. Hawaii says he was born there, he was born there.
I can't believe this is still going on. The State of Hawaii certified that the COLB was authentic. Under the full faith and credit clause, that's the end of the story. Hawaii says he was born there, he was born there.
And who deemed Berg as the founder of the birther movement? YOU?
Also, people who claim that Hillary Clinton or her campaign originated the doubts about Obama's eligibility.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
Thats an outright lie. People can hold dual citizenships without giving one up. Obama held dual citizenships until his age of 21, the argument wasnt that he had dual citizenships, it was that sharing one with a parent born outside the USA made one not "natural born"
Wrong, the link validates my claim because I said the claim was that Obama was not "natural born", the link says naturalized.. Its not my fault if you dont understand that they are not the same.
The claim is that he is a naturalized citizen, and naturalized isnt natural. The fact that you cant see that this claim was made because he had dual citizenship status, shows your inability to actually comprehend what you read.
Having a parent who was born outside the USA, and/or who had foreign citizenship that passes to the son, does not make Obama a naturalized citizen. Having to apply for citizenship either because you didn't get it as a condition of birth, or because you lost it at some point, does lead to naturalized citizens.
And you're not even getting the birther argument correct. You claim the core argument is that his father was born outside the USA and therefore Obama is not "natural born". But it's not that Obama's father was merely born outside the USA, the birther argument is that the father had foreign citizenship, including UK citizenship that transferred to Barack Jr, which created a situation of dual allegiances that birthers claim the founders sought to prevent with the "natural-born citizen" requirement. Birthers acknowledge we've had presidents who had a foreign parent, but they'll note that the parent had obtained naturalized US citizenship by the time the future president was born (and disregard cases where this wasn't so).
If you'd like to argue that the antonym of "natural-born citizen" is "naturalized citizen", then congratulations, you agree with non-birthers that Obama is a natural-born citizen.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
the argument wasnt that he had dual citizenships
The claim is that he is a naturalized citizen, and naturalized isnt natural. The fact that you cant see that this claim was made because he had dual citizenship status.
Sorry, but are you not aware of the various arguments in the Birther movement?
1) Not born in America - The very first claim
2) Lost Citizenship when moved to Indonesia - when the first claim was debunked, they moved on to this one
3) 2 Citizen parent fake theory - Proposed by Donofrio
Orly has been all over the place with her claims; she's ascribed to all of them over the last 3 year, and only recently started citing the 2 parent theory (not eloquently) and now there is a fourth theory that she is trying to push:
4) Barry Soetoro replaced the "real" Barack Obama, and that is who is in office.
So, no, we KNOW all of the birther theories. Of course, the birthers fight among themselves with which theory to push.
You have de Vattel-ists
you have your kenyan borns
you have your lost citizenship
and now we at least 1 person trying to promote the "body snatcher/manchurian candidate" theory.
"The Defendant’s actions represent a direct threat to the entire judicial branch and the separation of powers between the branches of government."
"The Defendant’s decision to completely ignore the authority of this Court is unprecedented. "
"When the Secretary of State refused to act in an unlawful manner the Defendant ignored the Secretary of State, violated an order of this Court, and apparently instructed his attorney to act in a manner that violates the professional rules of conduct of this State."
-un snip-
The defendant is testing the will of the people of Georgia. There will come time when obama tests the will of the nation...are you ready?
You better be.
Last edited by DraggingCanoe; 02-02-2012 at 11:25 AM..
I can't believe this is still going on. The State of Hawaii certified that the COLB was authentic. Under the full faith and credit clause, that's the end of the story. Hawaii says he was born there, he was born there.
That is no longer the issue at hand.
The issue is the wording "Natural Born Citizen" and if that means both his parents need to be citizens of the US vs just the one..
That is no longer the issue at hand.
The issue is the wording "Natural Born Citizen" and if that means both his parents need to be citizens of the US vs just the one..
versus any......
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