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Old 02-02-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Smoking in the car when alone should be a crime.
al Qaeda in Iraq would cut off a person's pinky finger if they caught them smoking, maybe you could lobby government to adopt that here.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:47 AM
 
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I agree with you. The only thing more disgusting are the ubiquitous plastic water bottles that litter our earth. They are everywhere and will be around forever since it probably takes hundreds of years for them to degrade. They choke fish and pollute our rivers and oceans. Where's the outrage about water bottles?
FYI there is "outrage" at plastic water bottles. the pubic in many areas go on litter patrols picking up the crap. many communities also have public awareness about the issue as well. plastic water bottles have no relation to smoking at all, unless you find one on the street filled with butts and nicotine yellow water, used handily as an ashtray.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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That sounds quite boring. I prefer to enjoy life. My goal has never been to eliminate all risks in my life. I do a lot of things because they are enjoyable, not because they are necessary. And some of them involve risks.

I cannot imagine a life devoted to living in safety.
Isn't that the Utopian ideal that liberals strive to force on all of us thru the velvet gloved, iron fist of government?

I was going to say bunny fur glove, but PETA would have not allowed that.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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Isn't that the Utopian ideal that liberals strive to force on all of us thru the velvet gloved, iron fist of government?

I was going to say bunny fur glove, but PETA would have not allowed that.
lots of conservatives take risks. having an addiction to nicotine/smoking has nothing to do with your social or political thinking
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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You reminded me of something. I was trying to have some fun one night at a casino. Most of the good machines were taken, it was really crowded that evening.

My husband went one way to play something i sat down to play a new machine that was out at that time.

I am in the middle seat. Two smokers two elderly ladies sat on both sides of me. Oh my gosh, i literally wanted to kill them. I was now starting to make faces, i do that when i am annoyed.

I had smoke coming at me from two directions Puff Puff and more Puff . I could not take it, i am alergic to smoke, so i was the one to leave.

These two old ladies stayed their puffing on those damn nasty cigarettes. You would think that some people might have a bit of compassion, for those around them.

My sister in law is a fine Nurse for a very large well known Hospital.

She will be glad to sit anyone of you down, and let you know just what the consequences of second hand smoke are.

Very bad for babies and young children.
1) You went to a private establishment that allows smoking knowing you are allergic to it? Your complaint is invalid.

2) Your sister has no idea what the effects of SHS are, she simply is regurgitating what the medical institutions have told her to think.

The problem is in the research that the medical institutions use to make the claims about SHS. They are flawed and not based on science, but assumptive correlations derived from epidemiological studies and statistical guessing.

Keep in mind, Medicine is NOT science, it is a practice. It may have elements of "science" in it, but its "practice", rather the diagnoses and evaluation of human interaction and its consistencies are not a scientific result. This is why there are numerous types of medicines for the same illness, because people are not the same and what may work on one, will not work on another.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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SHS can not possibly be even close to as harmful as first hand - direct in to the lungs..It irks me when you see some kid overly indoctrinated with neo - liberal fear - who cringes and covers their face just at the slight smell of tobacco out side...as if cancer is going to strike them dead on the spot.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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SHS can not possibly be even close to as harmful as first hand - direct in to the lungs..It irks me when you see some kid overly indoctrinated with neo - liberal fear - who cringes and covers their face just at the slight smell of tobacco out side...as if cancer is going to strike them dead on the spot.
a political agenda? the "kids" that irk you are also conservative.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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1) You went to a private establishment that allows smoking knowing you are allergic to it? Your complaint is invalid.

2) Your sister has no idea what the effects of SHS are, she simply is regurgitating what the medical institutions have told her to think.

The problem is in the research that the medical institutions use to make the claims about SHS. They are flawed and not based on science, but assumptive correlations derived from epidemiological studies and statistical guessing.


Keep in mind, Medicine is NOT science, it is a practice. It may have elements of "science" in it, but its "practice", rather the diagnoses and evaluation of human interaction and its consistencies are not a scientific result. This is why there are numerous types of medicines for the same illness, because people are not the same and what may work on one, will not work on another.
Yeah, I've found that a lot of the "science" concerning second hand smoke doesn't have any factual critical data behind it, rather it is second sourcing from other organizations.

I do believe that some research has been done that shows some harmful potential effect of second hand smoke, but not the alarming stuff that is repeatedly put out there in commercials as "factual information".
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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SHS can not possibly be even close to as harmful as first hand - direct in to the lungs..It irks me when you see some kid overly indoctrinated with neo - liberal fear - who cringes and covers their face just at the slight smell of tobacco out side...as if cancer is going to strike them dead on the spot.
I agree, out here in California I think they want to prosecute you for attempted manslaughter if you smoke in the public areas.

BTW, I'm a non-smoker and stating this. I think the second hand smoke issue has been severely overblown.
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:31 AM
 
Location: TX
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Common knowledge does not mean it is a fact. It means that people THINK it is a fact, and as your link says, "knowledge that is available to anyone".
No, by definition, common knowledge is something KNOWN, not just believed. And the knowledge that the risk of SIDS increases with exposure to secondhand smoke is available to anyone (though not always pursued). I must've read it at least twice while earning my Associate's, and at least twice again when my girlfriend was pregnant.

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(Making life as safe as possible) sounds quite boring. I prefer to enjoy life. My goal has never been to eliminate all risks in my life. I do a lot of things because they are enjoyable, not because they are necessary. And some of them involve risks.

I cannot imagine a life devoted to living in safety.
You make a number of assumptions here. First, that making life as safe as possible includes eliminating all risks. Since eliminating all risks is not possible, it is obviously not my goal. Second, that minimizing risks means not enjoying life. Nothing is inherently enjoyable; it's a subjective judgement call, and it's based on a comparison of what one is accustomed to. If a person literally sat around all day doing nothing, playing a round of checkers would be considered by them exhilarating! Not that this is where I suggest we plant ourselves, of course. But I think we should look at the weight of the risks as well as the degree of risk in comparison to usefulness and necessity.
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