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Old 02-04-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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It doesn't. Where does it state they are "opinion forums" ?

In any event, I was speaking of posting on the internet in general. If this thread was simply about people's opinions on smoking in cars with children, I think the content would be very different than what it is. My sense is that the thread is about the imposition of laws which are being proposed on the basis of facts.

If people want to push for laws regulating the behavior of other people within their families simply upon the basis of their own opinions about how other people should behave, that's one thing. Trying to push such laws through on the basis of incorrect information is something entirely different.
I am not advocating any laws. I simply shared my personal experience. To those who downplay my personal experience........So what?
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:04 PM
 
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ROFLMFAO...And Tom Brady is independant on who wins the super bowl...ROFL...You sound like the Faux News clowns who make sure they proclaim the 'fair and balanced' nonsense before every one of their partisan attacks on Obama!

Sorry you failed, try again!
I don't watch Fox News.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:10 PM
 
Location: TX
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It has to do with the fact of how full of crap you Repubes are...Did you not get that?
In other words, it has nothing to do with smoking. Your level of contribution is duly noted. Thank you

I'll ask the question to a general audience one more time: Do we at least agree that smoking is addictive (and yes, I mean physically)?

Also, if it IS addictive, what justifies smoking in front of kids who can very well learn this behavior?
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Georgia
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In other words, it has nothing to do with smoking. Your level of contribution is duly noted. Thank you

I'll ask the question to a general audience one more time: Do we at least agree that smoking is addictive (and yes, I mean physically)?

Also, if it IS addictive, what justifies smoking in front of kids who can very well learn this behavior?
It has everything to do with smoking...Its the fact you Repube's view things like this as a government invasion of privacy, but then view gays marrying each other as something that you should regulate. And if you really want to dig down, certain states feel the power that they should even regulate what days adults should be able to buy alchohol.

Its the blatent hypocrisy of you people that is unbelievable!
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:37 PM
 
Location: TX
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It has everything to do with smoking...Its the fact you Repube's view things like this as a government invasion of privacy, but then view gays marrying each other as something that you should regulate. And if you really want to dig down, certain states feel the power that they should even regulate what days adults should be able to buy alchohol.

Its the blatent hypocrisy of you people that is unbelievable!
*blatant.

I don't know why you assume that I'm a Republican, and I most certainly do not oppose gay rights to any degree. I'm very much for them! I don't think EITHER smoking in public nor gay marriage should be banned. But you should see by now how off-topic your every line is. Oh well.

To the extent that smoking is physically addictive, people should not do it, particularly in front of impressionable children.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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To the extent that smoking is physically addictive, people should not do it, particularly in front of impressionable children.
Since it's clear that in physical terms alcohol is FAR more physically addictive than smoking (people die from alcohol withdrawal) then it's even more clear that "people should not do it, particularly in front of impressionable children."

So would you advocate banning alcohol drinking in public places? For those who can't get along without some Dom Perignon after their dinner, they could always just pop outside for a few minutes and take a few gulps back by the dumpster in the alleyway.

What's the big deal?
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:53 PM
 
Location: TX
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Since it's clear that in physical terms alcohol is FAR more physically addictive than smoking (people die from alcohol withdrawal) then it's even more clear that "people should not do it, particularly in front of impressionable children."

So would you advocate banning alcohol drinking in public places? For those who can't get along without some Dom Perignon after their dinner, they could always just pop outside for a few minutes and take a few gulps back by the dumpster in the alleyway.

What's the big deal?
For the purposes of this thread: I wouldn't advocate banning ANYTHING, okay?

But it's not exactly unheard of for people to choose not to drink in front of kids, so that's not gonna scare me any. If it meant that even 25% of the smokers out there would stop smoking in front of children, I'd gladly wait until my son's bedtime to open a Bacardi. I do it half the time already.

Of course, I'm not just talking about withdrawals. I'm talking about how quick the addiction grabs you as well.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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For the purposes of this thread: I wouldn't advocate banning ANYTHING, okay?

But it's not exactly unheard of for people to choose not to drink in front of kids, so that's not gonna scare me any. If it meant that even 25% of the smokers out there would stop smoking in front of children, I'd gladly wait until my son's bedtime to open a Bacardi. I do it half the time already.

Of course, I'm not just talking about withdrawals. I'm talking about how quick the addiction grabs you as well.
Actually, I was recently having a board discussion over at TheHeart.org with a Dr. Blanchet about cigarette taxation, the black market, and "children" smoking. He argued that that despite the taxes making cigarettes more available to children by encouraging the proliferation of a black market, that eventually the higher prices would reduce teen smoking because:

"It takes a while for kids to become addicted to cigarettes."

Alcohol on the other hand often seems to grab people VERY firmly when they're quite young.

Overall though I wouldn't disagree with you on the basis of how quickly addiction takes hold in individuals: I believe it's a highly individual thing based upon both psychology AND biology. Of course that's just my opinion.... ;>
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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*blatant.

I don't know why you assume that I'm a Republican, and I most certainly do not oppose gay rights to any degree. I'm very much for them! I don't think EITHER smoking in public nor gay marriage should be banned. But you should see by now how off-topic your every line is. Oh well.

To the extent that smoking is physically addictive, people should not do it, particularly in front of impressionable children.[/quote]
The same thing could be said about alcohol, yet adults drink in front of children, TV and movies show adults reaching for a carafe of alcohol everytime they are upset, and advertisements for alcohol are everywhere.

And let's not forget gambling, which can also be very addictive and can destroy lives. How many parents bet on sports and buy lottery tickets in front of their children? How about all of the ads we see for Las Vegas and casinos......glorifying gambling as fun and the thing to do?

Why is there no outcry to protect children from being exposed to these kinds of destructive behaviors......behaviors that they can become addicted to.....behaviors that have the potential to destroy their lives?
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:01 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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You live in EL PASO and you're sure your chronic bronchitis came just from SHS?

All that fine dust in the air couldn't have been a contributing factor? Or the stench from Juarez? Or what wafts in from the diary farms up at Anthony? Or, the exhaust and industrial fumes caught between the mountains? Surely, it couldn't have come from ASARCO's smoke stacks, could it?
No sireee.....it was second. hand. smoke.!!!!! Her doctor told her so.....
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