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Old 02-21-2012, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I believe these may be formed by secretly adulterating the aircraft fuel to enhance contrail formation. This would create the illusion that a vast geotechnical experiment was in progress. If so it may just be to determine the solar reflectivity of different types of contrail enhancments. Enhanced contrail formation would make such determinations easier.

 
Old 02-21-2012, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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I dont buy what your selling ...

Its clear that the goverment is geoengineering ... We have proof ... and the government does not deny they have aerosol spraying in their plans. We have posted tons of technical and official information from the government, aerospace companies and universities that are involved in the research. Hell, we even posted the recent article on Bill Gates and Richard Branson who are funding research and lobbying goverment to move forward on more geoengineering programs ... including aerosol spraying the atmosphere ... aka chemtrails.
So dont waste our time with your BS claims ... we have enough fools in this thread posting elementary school garbage trying to derail true conversation. Im sure 75% of the posts in this thread are these idiots posting over and over again .. typical trolls.
Lol... "proof".... you know the logical fallacy of circular reasoning applies here. You can't provide "proof" that it's occurring through "articles" from fringe websites devoted to it. You're basically saying "There is proof that there are chemtrails being sprayed by the government because this website that says chemtrails are being sprayed by the government says so."

Once again, I have a Bachelor's degree in Meteorology. Do you? You sound just like the nutjob from Philipsburg who would always call the weather station at PSU and scream at us to stop flying our PSU planes and spraying chemtrails all over the place. Newsflash: We don't do that.

Oh, and to respond to that hilarious last paragraph... I'm college educated in meteorology... you are not. The only person posting elementary school garbage in here is you with your complete lack of understanding of the atmosphere. Do yourself a favor and focus your energy on things that really matter.

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Yet there are thousands upon thousands of photographs of this very same situation occurring all over the country and around the world.

And I grew up in the Washington DC Metro area ... lived less than 15 miles from Andrews AFB, and no such thing did I witness EVER in the 15 years I worked in downtown Washington DC, driving past Andrews every day.

Of course I saw contrails ... but never did I ever see them paint the sky from horizon to horizon, literally turning a clear blue sky into a blanket of gray.

But ... now, I see it frequently occur here in downtown Austin Texas, with no AFB anywhere close to this location.
Thousands upon thousands of photographs of.... contrails? Why yes... there are.

Of note, the climates of Washington, DC and Austin, TX are radically different. You have many more clear sky days in Austin compared to Washington, so naturally, you're going to notice contrails more "often". With respect to the "painting of the sky"... contrails do this when the weather conditions at the altitude they are at are right. If the atmosphere is near saturation, the addition of the contrails allow for the contrails to persist...and depending upon the wind... expand.

Also, there are plenty of AFBs/airports/military bases near Austin: Lackland, Brooks, and Randolph AFB in San Antonio (close enough for you to notice the planes flying in and out), Camp Bullis in San Antonio, Fort Hood in Killeen... not to mention the various Regional, Municipal, and International Airports between Killeen and San Antonio. Also, there are more planes flying transcontinental routes over your head versus in Washington.
 
Old 02-21-2012, 11:33 AM
 
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Again, aircraft can, and do, hold at cruising altitudes. Where are you getting that they only hold at lower approach altitudes? Also, aircraft can be 'stacked' in holding patterns, ie multiple aircraft holding over the same fix or waypoint at different altitudes, and with different winds at different altitudes, those holding pattern contrails will drift downwind differently.
First, I never suggested that planes can't be put in holds anywhere the handling ATC damned well decides to do so to address specific circumstances, but your scenario does not reflect the typical situation which are traffic management for inbound traffic which primarily occur near destinations and at much lower altitudes.

Just as importantly, CON-TRARY to the unspoken insinuations coming from the "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" crowd here .... even at cruise altitudes, the conditions which facilitate contrail formation only occur 10-20 % of the time, which leaves an 80-90% probability that the conditions necessary for creating contrails won't be present most of the time. So even normal contrail activity which typically results in rapidly dissipating trails requires a rather infrequent combination of conditions .... let alone some extraordinary set of conditions that would allow them to persist for hours on end, filling the sky horizon to horizon, covering thousands of square miles. Those of us who have been around on this planet for several decades, and can walk and chew gum at the same time, recognize the marked change in the skies now compared to three decades ago .. as well as the marked change in the nature and behavior of these alleged "contrails". Our REASONABLE conclusion is that there is more going on here than just increased commercial air traffic.

Now for those lacking the fundamental intelligence to understand the implications and importance of those basic facts, or those who have to alternate the action of stepping and then chewing, there's plenty of additional evidence that points to the use of atmospheric aerosols for a variety of modern technological applications ranging from weather modification to military purposes. Why? Because we have over active imaginations? No ... because the applications for these atmospheric aerosol operations are DOCUMENTED.

Look ... the "Unicorn" ceases to become a mythical creature when some genetic scientist parades out a damned horse with a freaking horn protruding from it's forehead ... git it? So when scientists start saying "we need to spray metallic particles in the atmosphere to combat global warming" ... and then we see inexplicable increases in toxic metallic particulate in the air coinciding with vast trails in the sky underneath ... well, it doesn't take a mathematician to add that up, but it does take an freaking idiot to dismiss the most likely conclusion.

To be blunt, those who continue to insist that ALL of this activity is just natural contrails, are using extremely crude reasoning in support of that position, which necessarily must ignore a vast body of evidence pointing to something more. A rather large elephant in the living room being ignored is the dramatic, laboratory tested and verified increases in barium and aluminum which exceed safe toxicity levels many fold, in air samples taken coinciding with these events of heavy "contrail" activity. Though correlation is not proof of causation, the absence of an alternative explanation for these increases in air toxicity of elements that should not be found in the air, must be coming from somewhere. Therefore, it is beyond rational thinking to dismiss the clearly visible trails in the sky over head where these increases in toxicity are being measured, as a potential source.

Frankly, those that do so are demonstrating a severe lack of capacity for critical thinking.
 
Old 02-21-2012, 12:19 PM
 
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First, I never suggested that planes can't be put in holds anywhere the handling ATC damned well decides to do so to address specific circumstances, but your scenario does not reflect the typical situation which are traffic management for inbound traffic which primarily occur near destinations and at much lower altitudes.
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Frankly, those that do so are demonstrating a severe lack of capacity for critical thinking.
Gee, don9 used almost the exact same words, alluding to the same thing.... only conspiracy nuts like you know THE TRUTH...

Okay okay, I have to treat this chemtrail issue with the respect it deserves.......


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Old 02-21-2012, 12:36 PM
 
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Wind turbine chemtrails, why doesn't the conspiracy nuts talk about these?

 
Old 02-21-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Looking at that web site that sells chemtrail survival kits (post #828) I stumbled across this:

 
Old 02-21-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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Lol... "proof".... you know the logical fallacy of circular reasoning applies here. You can't provide "proof" that it's occurring through "articles" from fringe websites devoted to it. You're basically saying "There is proof that there are chemtrails being sprayed by the government because this website that says chemtrails are being sprayed by the government says so."

Once again, I have a Bachelor's degree in Meteorology. Do you? You sound just like the nutjob from Philipsburg who would always call the weather station at PSU and scream at us to stop flying our PSU planes and spraying chemtrails all over the place. Newsflash: We don't do that.

Oh, and to respond to that hilarious last paragraph... I'm college educated in meteorology... you are not. The only person posting elementary school garbage in here is you with your complete lack of understanding of the atmosphere. Do yourself a favor and focus your energy on things that really matter.



Thousands upon thousands of photographs of.... contrails? Why yes... there are.

Of note, the climates of Washington, DC and Austin, TX are radically different. You have many more clear sky days in Austin compared to Washington, so naturally, you're going to notice contrails more "often". With respect to the "painting of the sky"... contrails do this when the weather conditions at the altitude they are at are right. If the atmosphere is near saturation, the addition of the contrails allow for the contrails to persist...and depending upon the wind... expand.

Also, there are plenty of AFBs/airports/military bases near Austin: Lackland, Brooks, and Randolph AFB in San Antonio (close enough for you to notice the planes flying in and out), Camp Bullis in San Antonio, Fort Hood in Killeen... not to mention the various Regional, Municipal, and International Airports between Killeen and San Antonio. Also, there are more planes flying transcontinental routes over your head versus in Washington.
I dont care what you claim you have a degree in, which I doubt, but you cant even comprehend what I wrote. I never said I had proof from websites dedicated to chemtrails ... I said I have proof from credible sources including government websites and universities who are doing in the research. I have provided proof ... you have provided nothing except your bogus claim that you have a degree in ... whatever ... Like I said ... Im not buying it ...
 
Old 02-21-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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^^^^^ Such immature childishness posting cute little pictures and insults only amuses and impresses those of like mentality.

Far from being a demonstration of cleverness ... it's really just pitifully sad.
 
Old 02-21-2012, 01:00 PM
 
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These have to be chemtrails of some type because I have eyes and they never lie, they always show me THE TRUTH. I know THEY spread disinformation



 
Old 02-21-2012, 01:03 PM
 
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^^^^^ Such immature childishness posting cute little pictures and insults only amuses and impresses those of like mentality.

Far from being a demonstration of cleverness ... it's really just pitifully sad.
Please refer to post #819, you sound just like your brother don9

BTW, why are you calling don9's images childish? I thought they were honest-to-god chemtrail images and now you say they are not?
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