Contrails or Chemtrails? (Clinton, independent, generalization, gallon)

[Trackwatch]

Originally Posted by Don9

Contrail

Cirrus Clouds


Lapse rate

Did you even read those pages completely or just stop when you came to something that sounded like Proof?

[11thHour]

Originally Posted by swagger

I have a question that requires little more than common sense and a reasonable grasp of logic to answer. It hit me while watching the 8 minute whackjob video above...

Consider the following photo of con/chem trails being produced:



Ignore that the trails are being produced directly behind the engines, and focus on the clear air between the plane and the forming trails.

Here's the question. If the trails in the photo are composed of some toxic cocktail being sprayed from the plane, why isn't that trail visible from the moment it leaves the aircraft? How can it be "invisible" for any length of time?

There's a glitch in the Matrix!!11

[bobman]

Don, Texas guy etc, I think you really need to study this diagram.

[Don9]

Originally Posted by swagger

Red text indicates that you need to pay particular attention to it, as it seems that you've been ignoring those details for the last 800+ posts.

The blue text describes precisely a persistent contrail after it's begun to spread and dissipate.

I think you're coming around, Don. You're posting information that contradicts your own position. Thanks for saving me the time!

Note that I don't usually cite wikipedia as a research source (and as I'm sure you know, being as highly educated as you say, using it as a source in academia is unacceptable), but since you posted it, I'm happy to use it.

Typical, can't argue the message so attack the messenger ... you must be a liberal!
Yes, average. Do you know what average means? Did you see my calculations where it can't be warmer than 70°F on the ground for contrails or cirrus clouds to exist. The 70°F temp had margin. But were not talking 70°F in Vegas, were talking at least 30°F+ warmer. That 30°F+ of margin removes all doubt that contrails and cirrus clouds can't exist at 30,000 feet ... but yet you still see them. I showed video from August 12, 2011 when the low was 79°F (before daybreak) and the high 104°F ... and guess what ... cirrus clouds/contrails/chemtrails ... what ever you want to call it. Did you read the comments from your fellow Las Vegas residence on the three videos? They were all complaining about the constant chemtrail spraying. And when I ask you about the chemtrails/contrails in the summer, you give a vague answer like you don't really know if you have seen them ... I call BS!!! I don't know who you think you are protecting with this charade of claiming you don't see contrails in the desert heat. I can tell from your bogus answers that you know exactly whats going on and you obviously condone it. Its one thing if you are alone in Vegas and accept the risk but if you have family, especial young children, your turning a blind eye to to people who don't care about you or your family ... more and more data is coming out that the fall-out from this spraying is a threat to your and there health.

[Don9]

Originally Posted by Just a Bill

Wikipedia is sometimes wrong, but, on the whole, it's been considered as factual as Encyclopedia Britannica.

After all, no human is devoid of bias, which includes both Wiki and EB. EB relies on "noted scholars" yet they are as fallible as the rest of us.

I actually prefer Wikipedia, as it is a "living" encyclopedia; meaning that errors can be retracted immediately upon discovery.

Attack the messenger ... typical

I can provide the same data from many other credible sources. Why don't you provide data that counterpoints what I wrote, show me data that shows I'm wrong...

[Don9]

Originally Posted by swagger

I have a question that requires little more than common sense and a reasonable grasp of logic to answer. It hit me while watching the 8 minute whackjob video above...

Consider the following photo of con/chem trails being produced:



Ignore that the trails are being produced directly behind the engines, and focus on the clear air between the plane and the forming trails.

Here's the question. If the trails in the photo are composed of some toxic cocktail being sprayed from the plane, why isn't that trail visible from the moment it leaves the aircraft? How can it be "invisible" for any length of time?

You would need more data on the exact type of aerosol dispensed, apparatus and methods to answer that question.

[Don9]

Originally Posted by Trackwatch

Did you even read those pages completely or just stop when you came to something that sounded like Proof?

If you have a point then make it ..

[Don9]

Here are a few supports links from Vegas

Chemtrails Above Las Vegas

Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas

Chemtrails Are Over Las Vegas

Chemtrails, Geoengineering

[GregW]

I suggest both sides of this debate look up "Adiabatic Lapse Rate" which is a measure of the temperature decline in the atmosphere as a function of altitude. Atmospheric temperature declines everywhere as related to elevation. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

Both contrails and Chemtrails can form at high elevations over searing deserts.

[Don9]

Originally Posted by GregW

I suggest both sides of this debate look up "Adiabatic Lapse Rate" which is a measure of the temperature decline in the atmosphere as a function of altitude. Atmospheric temperature declines everywhere as related to elevation. Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

Both contrails and Chemtrails can form at high elevations over searing deserts.

I did look it up and used the standard from the International Civil Aviation Organization for environmental lapse rate which is more applicable for what we are talking about. And no, contrails and cirrus clouds will not be present when the air temperture is warmer than -35C. Look it up!