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Old 01-29-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: California
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Some people have a desire to escape reality.
Some drugs help ailing bodies.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Look there is no way around it, marijuana is a gateway drug. You can pretend that it isn't but that's purely a matter of denial. The the argument that alcohol is a gateway drug doesn't exclude marijuana from being one as well.
That does not wash. If by "gateway", it is meant that smoking marijuana automatically leads to the use of other drugs, then no, it is not a gateway drug.

Back in the day when I partook, I had a number of friends who did not smoke dope but did snort coke and/or take pills. In fact, a number of them tried smoke and just didn't like it. That was no catalyst or obstacle to their taking other drugs. By the same token, I have known a number of people who smoked dope and didn't even so much as drink a beer. And then there have been those who smoked dope and used other drugs as well. In fact, I can think of a few people who never even tried smoking but liked snorting coke.

You just can't pin it down as a gateway drug in terms of it necessarily leading to the use of other drugs. That's like saying that children who grew up playing cops and robbers will grow up to be criminals or cops. It may happen, it may not. Same with marijuana.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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No.

It's the taboo that makes it alluring to kids.
Alcohol and cigarets are gateway drugs.

Few people, who do not drink alcohol or smoke cigarets aver try pot.
Alcohol and cigarets are gateway drugs.

Pot is just easier for a kid to get compared to heroin.


According to a study to be published by the Centre for Economic Policy Research, London, cannabis does not lead to the use of hard drugs (Sunday Times of 16 December 2001). Findings are based on a survey of drug users in Amsterdam over a 10-year period. The study by Jan van Ours of Tilburg University in the Netherlands shows that cannabis users typically start using the drug between the ages of 18 and 20, while cocaine use usually starts between 20 and 25. But it concludes that cannabis is not a stepping stone to using cocaine or heroin. Four surveys, covering nearly 17,000 people, were carried out in Amsterdam in 1987, 1990, 1994 and 1997. The study found that there was little difference in the probability of an individual taking up cocaine as to whether or not he or she had used cannabis. Although significant numbers of people in the survey did use soft and hard drugs, this was linked with personal characteristics and a predilection to experimentation.


data suggest that rather than acting as a gateway to other drugs, (which many had also tried), cannabis has been exerting a beneficial influence on most
(2007 - gateway - association of drug use with alcohol and tobacco use) "In 2007, the rate of current illicit drug use was almost 9 times higher among youths aged 12 to 17 who smoked cigarettes in the past month (47.3 percent) than it was among youths who did not smoke cigarettes in the past month (5.4 percent).

The Institute of Medicine's 1999 report on marijuana explained that marijuana has been mistaken for a gateway drug in the past because "Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana, usually before they are of legal age."

.http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/43

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Old 01-29-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: California
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If by "gateway", it is meant that smoking marijuana automatically leads to the use of other drugs, then no, it is not a gateway drug.
True.
People need to define what "gateway" means to them before this can actually be a discussion.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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No one has suggested that everyone who tried pot, goes on to try hard drugs, but practically everyone who did try hard drugs, tried pot first.
And practically everyone who murders somebody has read a Shakespeare novel... so does that mean Shakespeare is a gateway to murder? The logic in this idea is - well - illogical.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And practically everyone who murders somebody has read a Shakespeare novel... so does that mean Shakespeare is a gateway to murder? The logic in this idea is - well - illogical.
Your idea of books leading to murder is illogical, but one drug leading to another is not.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Some people have a desire to escape reality.
Pot doesn't help you to escape "reality," any more than drinking a beer does... have you even tried it? And what about the medical benefits? For most it's just one of many ways to relax, and for some it's an effective way to relieve pain.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Bay Area, CA
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Your idea of books leading to murder is illogical, but one drug leading to another is not.
Yes it is, unless you can prove that a LARGE percentage of those who try pot go on to harder drugs... in reality it's probably a very small percentage, so there is no reason to believe it "leads to harder drugs." Just because most junkies tried pot early on, that does not conversely mean trying pot will lead to anything else - as many people here (and studies) have already asserted quite clearly.

Another analogy, since you don't seem to be getting this concept of correlation vs causation: Most (all?) people who die from heart disease drank milk first, but that doesn't mean drinking milk leads to heart disease. Get it? If not, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correla...mply_causation
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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My state senator and police he consulted about marijuana say it should stay illegal, because it is a gateway drug. You can hear my state senator's response from this audio clip from a recent town hall meeting when asked about legalizing medical marijuana: http://okmedicalmarijuana.org/mjtownhall.m3u
He must of talked with Idaho's governor, he just rejected it last week. What would you except from "Good Ole' Boy's"
For some reason, they think if it's legal kids under 18 will partake, because we all know those kids don't drink.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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The number one most abused drug is "prescription" and nothing is being done about these drugs.
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