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When you get rid of religions and their books then you can define your own basis for what is moral and what isn't.
Remove religion and then men can determine what is good and what is evil, good conduct and bad conduct, what is right and what is wrong.
And then get laws passed to enforce it.
Similar to what some want done with the Constitution.
Should we assume and hope that these kids are naive and confused babies or should we accept that this is a major turn for speaking about sex publicly because its 2012?
Fine, if you see nothing wrong with this. Then go to a library or book store and pick up this book for your child. But, I don't think the public schools should be the ones to force this "major turn" on our children. That doesn't sound like the freedoms our country is supposed to have.
Similar to what some want done with the Constitution.
It's easy to be an atheist. You live life thinking that you ultimately have no consequences for your actions on earth.
It's the ultimate freedom. It requires no discipline. It's the easy way out.
That's what makes the idea so appealing to some individuals, but if you shift entirely to a secular society, and the people in charge truly confide in atheist doctrine, eventually people will be thought of as souless entities.
Basically, they are just vessels that take up space and use up resources. If they have no intrinsic value at least in the "what can you do for me" sense, what good are they?
I don't think people that adhere to this ideology recognize this concept. I don't understand how some people believe that this couldn't happen.
That slippery slope is really not that far removed.
Where do you draw the line and at what age level is that book appropriate for ?
And that's really the question IMO.
Some of the arguments made here sound way more appropriate for middle school to me. I wouldn't want my 11 year old to read sexually suggestive material in class either.
But a high school freshman? How long are we supposed to wait? It's an award winning book and it's not about sex per se. And 14 year-olds have adult bodies accompanied by raging hormones, they've heard it all from their peers in middle school anyway.
The question is: at what point is it reasonable to expect that a teenager is capable of reading varied material and being able to handle it? Do we think most 14 year olds are unable to read complex material in context? Do we think they are going to rush out and imitate everything they read?
I've read the book and it is not some porno piece. It's a good book with a lot to offer IMO. Would it be okay for a high school junior or senior to read folks? I mean what is the real problem here?
Fine, if you see nothing wrong with this. Then go to a library or book store and pick up this book for your child. But, I don't think the public schools should be the ones to force this "major turn" on our children. That doesn't sound like the freedoms our country is supposed to have.
Every parent can get other like-minded parents together to attend school board meetings, voice their concerns, and have an affect on the curriculum. Why are you concerned about students of other parents in other localities? Are you asserting that included in "our freedoms" is your freedom to mandate what books other schools assign?
Conservatives believe localized, small government is best, right? Not nanny-stating other people's lives across the country.
Some of the arguments made here sound way more appropriate for middle school to me. I wouldn't want my 11 year old to read sexually suggestive material in class either.
But a high school freshman? How long are we supposed to wait? It's an award winning book and it's not about sex per se. And 14 year-olds have adult bodies accompanied by raging hormones, they've heard it all from their peers in middle school anyway.
The question is: at what point is it reasonable to expect that a teenager is capable of reading varied material and being able to handle it? Do we think most 14 year olds are unable to read complex material in context? Do we think they are going to rush out and imitate everything they read?
I've read the book and it is not some porno piece. It's a good book with a lot to offer IMO. Would it be okay for a high school junior or senior to read to folks? I mean what is the real problem here?
What benefit does a student receive from reading about the graphic sex? What exactly are they learning? Is it necessary?
Let's say it taught them how to be "better" at sex. Is that something you want your child to learn?
I just don't see the benefit.
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