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Old 01-29-2012, 12:04 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I haven't read the book.

There's a right way for young teens to learn about their bodies and sexuality. Is learning 'how to' perform sexual acts from that particular book appropriate ? I doubt it.
Maybe you should read the book, before attempting to answer your own question... it's pretty short, so I'm sure it wouldn't take more than a day or two.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So in your opinion, is it better to just "not talk about it" - and then turn a blind eye as they experiment with sex, while learning the facts on their own? Doesn't sound like a great plan to me, if that's what you are suggesting.
Times are different. Back then it was high school. Now you have sex occurring in elementary, middle school. So I guess they need to learn the specifics sooner rather than later.

What used to happen at 16 now happens at 10.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:05 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Gee, what happened to the "classics" ? Do they not read them in school anymore ?
Does it HAVE to be about sex ?
They do read the classics still... and many of those classics also include sex, along with graphic violence/war and other serious subjects. Read any Shakespeare lately? Those books are FULL of adult themes! And what about Chaucer, Homer, Beowulf (author unknown), Twain, Hawthorne, Hughes, the Bible? Again, those books all contain themes you'd probably consider "too adult" in any other context or time period.

The year is now 2012, so it would be rather silly & close-minded to not read anything written after the early 20th Century. Nothing wrong with reading BOTH classics & modern literature, which is the standard curriculum for most middle-high school English classes.

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Old 01-29-2012, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They do read the classics still... and many of those classics also include sex, along with a prevalent theme of violence and other serious subjects. Read any Shakespeare lately? Those books are FULL of adult themes!
Yes, "themes" with the details left to your imagination.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:15 PM
 
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Yes, "themes" with the details left to your imagination.
Not really... those books are often quite graphic, especially in the case of Shakespeare. Might not seem as graphic due to the language of their time, but the details are all there if you understand what you're reading.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:17 PM
 
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Times are different. Back then it was high school. Now you have sex occurring in elementary, middle school. So I guess they need to learn the specifics sooner rather than later.

What used to happen at 16 now happens at 10.
Yes, which is all the more reason not to shield them - especially at the age of 14.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:21 PM
 
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Who measures and determines what the "average" is for each grade level ?
I haven't heard of any surveys or tests being given to the kids on their level of knowledge about sex and then curriculum designed based on the "average".
These days they use something called the Lexile Framework, which determines individual reading levels for each student... books are then recommended based on the Lexile numbers, and classroom studies are also somewhat measured by their averages. Obviously there are varying levels within each grade, which is why many schools today have more "optional readings" than required. And while it doesn't measure "knowledge of sex," it does measure their reading abilities and to some degree their maturity.

The Lexile Framework for Reading
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: California
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Who measures and determines what the "average" is for each grade level ?
I haven't heard of any surveys or tests being given to the kids on their level of knowledge about sex and then curriculum designed based on the "average".
A highschooler who is niave about sex isn't average no matter who is making the determination. The fact is that some would LIKE IT to be avarage, or more common, but it's like trying to stop the tide wouldn't you say? Even with things like "mtv, internet, books, movies, hip hip, rock n roll, government intrusion" or whatever else we tend to blame things on....pubuerty is pretty much doing it's own thing.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: California
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Yes, which is all the more reason not to shield them - especially at the age of 14.
Yeah, That's the opposite of logic. How long do you want to shiled someone when you expect them to be a fully fuctioning adult at 18?
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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A highschooler who is niave about sex isn't average no matter who is making the determination. The fact is that some would LIKE IT to be avarage, or more common, but it's like trying to stop the tide wouldn't you say? Even with things like "mtv, internet, books, movies, hip hip, rock n roll, government intrusion" or whatever else we tend to blame things on....pubuerty is pretty much doing it's own thing.
Yup, and how quickly some people forget! It's not like teens weren't masturbating or having sex before 1950...
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