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Old 01-29-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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By slashing income tax rates to historically low levels – and only slightly boosting them under President Clinton before dropping them again under George W. Bush – the U.S. government essentially incentivized greed or what Ayn Rand liked to call “the virtue of selfishness.”

Further, by encouraging global “free trade” and removing regulations like the New Deal’s Glass-Steagall separation of commercial and investment banks, the government also got out of the way of “progress,” even if that “progress” has had crushing results for many middle-class Americans.

True, not all the extreme concepts of author/philosopher Ayn Rand and economist Milton Friedman have been implemented – there are still programs like Social Security and Medicare to get rid of – but their “magic of the market” should be glowing by now.

We should be able to assess whether laissez-faire capitalism is superior to the mixed public-private economy that dominated much of the 20th Century.

The old notion was that a relatively affluent middle class would contribute to the creation of profitable businesses because average people could afford to buy consumer goods, own their own homes and take an annual vacation with the kids. That “middle-class system,” however, required intervention by the government as the representative of the everyman.

Beyond building a strong infrastructure for growth – highways, airports, schools, research programs, a safe banking system, a common defense, etc. –the government imposed a progressive tax structure that helped pay for these priorities and also discouraged the accumulation of massive wealth.

After all, the threat to a healthy democracy from concentrated wealth had been known to American leaders for generations.

How Greed Destroys America | Consortiumnews

Not really too much to debate. The evidence is clear that the title of the article is factual.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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Who is greedy?
A. The person that earned the money and would lime to keep it
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B. The person who did not earn it seeking to claim more via taxes?
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But since then the FedGov has branched out and oversees much more than what it used it.
And that takes money.

The separation between public-private is slowly waning.

I could go on and on but times are much different now and it's obvious to me that much of America now depends on the government for one thing or another to exist.
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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Who is greedy?
A. The person that earned the money and would lime to keep it
-or-
B. The person who did not earn it seeking to claim more via taxes?


Define "earned"? How was that money created, and describe the 'transaction'?

You may learn something along the way...
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Old 01-29-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Define "earned"? How was that money created, and describe the 'transaction'?

You may learn something along the way...
A winning lotto ticket

And you're damn tootin that I won't be sharing with anyone else but my immediate family !!!
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Ian,
Define earned? At some point the income is earned through effort or risk.
Rather than worrying about how someone acquired capital why don't you explain why you think you have any claim to a higher percentage of it?
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Ya don't get to be middle-class by relying on government handouts. The fact is you subsidize poverty all you do is get more of it through undermining the work ethic.

Ya wanna be Middle-class (or better) do three things:

1) Graduate from high school.
2) Get some training after high school.
3) Do not have children until you are in a stable relationship.

Pretty simple. Of course liberals have been undermining that third qualification for about half a century. The result is more poverty and more prisons. Ending the drug war would also help our nation. The problem of the middle-class ain't too little government.
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Ian,
Define earned? At some point the income is earned through effort or risk.
Rather than worrying about how someone acquired capital why don't you explain why you think you have any claim to a higher percentage of it?
Higher percentage? Why should someone who invests in a coal mine risking only money pay a lower percentage on what they 'earned' through that risk than a miner pays for what he earned risking his life?
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Define middle class. Plenty of middle class around here and few are struggling.
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Old 01-29-2012, 11:10 AM
 
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Ya don't get to be middle-class by relying on government handouts.
On the other hand, once you get to be rich, you can manipulate the tax code to your own advantage and receive millions of dollars a year without really working. And the government protects that generous handout to the wealthy.
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