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Old 01-30-2012, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Citing an expert on a relevant discussion is not a fallacy. If we're talking about physics, I'd cite Albert Einstein. If we're talking about the existence of God, it'd be a bit foolish to cite Albert Einstein. It's always foolish to cite "but most people believe X" when talking about matters of science.



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All of these are quantitatively justifiable phenomenon. There may be multiple ways to say, raise a child in a healthy manner, and undoubtedly many ways not to. Saying they're all correct is disingenuous.
I don't know what the hell you just said there,but you sound smart if nothing else

If you can't blind them with brilliance,baffle 'em with BS
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Old 01-30-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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I don't know what the hell you just said there,but you sound smart if nothing else

If you can't blind them with brilliance,baffle 'em with BS
Clearly!

No. I'm saying things like raising children in a healthy manner, the merits of various genres of music, and the causes of poverty can be objectively studied. If they can be objectively studied, you can be an objective expert on the subject.

You can't claim Jazz is better than metal and suggest being an expert. But you can discuss the differences between guitar riffs of metal and smooth horns of jazz, and how they each contribute to musical history.
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Old 01-31-2012, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Houston
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It takes common sense to help decipher which of the competing expert opinions is the right one.
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Old 01-31-2012, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Clearly!

No. I'm saying things like raising children in a healthy manner, the merits of various genres of music, and the causes of poverty can be objectively studied. If they can be objectively studied, you can be an objective expert on the subject.

You can't claim Jazz is better than metal and suggest being an expert. But you can discuss the differences between guitar riffs of metal and smooth horns of jazz, and how they each contribute to musical history.
I was just jerking you around...but,yes...I agree with you.
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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I not sure I follow you. The people I know who are most against 'experts' are not that intelligent. There are plenty of experts you rely on day in and day out, but you just don't know it. Everything in that computer you're using to write this post was designed by an expert. Had people relied on common sense, you'd be drawing pictures on a cave wall right now.

Most of the 'common sense' continually thrown around here is either stupidity or lies. Some examples? The stimulus package didn't work (refuted by the CBO) or that lowering taxes causes net receipt of taxes to go up.

Common sense is fine provided that you have the intelligence to keep it in check. Most people don't, yet feel the need to share poorly founded, uneducated opinions with the world.
It's anti-intellectuals who feel threatened because they aren't that bright, or want to remain willfully ignorant, or are too lazy to do any research themselves, who commonly rail against the 'experts'
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:35 AM
 
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It takes common sense to help decipher which of the competing expert opinions is the right one.
Well no, it usually take research. Like examining if the experts opinions are based on studies that are methodologically sound and have been peer-reviewed.
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Old 01-31-2012, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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If you have a heart attack you see a cardiologist. An expert in heart care. If you have complex tax issue you see a CPA who specializes in complex tax matters. That's just common sense.
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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When I hear the word "expert" I cringe.

Experts gave us Global Warming...
Start listening to scientists, not what you perceive as "experts".
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Old 01-31-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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Start listening to scientists, not what you perceive as "experts".
I think it's more an issue of who're claiming to be experts.
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Old 01-31-2012, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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All of these are quantitatively justifiable phenomenon. There may be multiple ways to say, raise a child in a healthy manner, and undoubtedly many ways not to. Saying they're all correct is disingenuous.
You must be an expert, because I have no idea what you are trying to say here. And BTW 'phenomon' is the singular form. 'Phenomena' is the plural form. which is what you want.
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