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Old 01-29-2012, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Simple answer: This country was built on independence and individualism. It's in our genes.
I am going to save this for reprint at a later appropriate time. LOL
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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I am going to save this for reprint at a later appropriate time. LOL
Please do.

I don't think we're destined to be a hardcore capitalist society without any social programs. We've seen the good they can do. But we'll always have a streak of individualism that is more pronounced than the other developed countries of the world.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Cape Coral
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Who says socialism helps the poor. All it does is keep them poor. Capitalism gives them the opportunity to climb the ladder of success and have dignity.
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Old 01-29-2012, 07:53 PM
 
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Who says socialism helps the poor. All it does is keep them poor. Capitalism gives them the opportunity to climb the ladder of success and have dignity.
Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs. The vast majority of Americans support those programs. Do you know what the poverty rate for senior citizens was like before Social Security? It was over 50 percent!

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3260

If a person is 95 years old and unable to support himself, I can't imagine forcing him to work or depend on the generosity of others just to survive.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:01 PM
 
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I wish, I could afford to be poor and be on vacation everyday
Me too!! I be in the sun every day doing a whole lot of nothing. Not really, I'd get bored as heck. It would be nice to not work so hard, to pay those dang bills.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Who says socialism helps the poor. All it does is keep them poor. Capitalism gives them the opportunity to climb the ladder of success and have dignity.
That is why there are millions of poor people people in America? Don't come in here with that garbage and don't say the poor who are still poor because they did not take the opportunities they had because not every poor person has the opportunities nor do we have enough room for everyone to have a high paying job.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:07 PM
 
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Simple answer: This country was built on independence and individualism. It's in our genes.
So what happened to Brits?
Why did they become so socialist? Different genes or what?
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:08 PM
 
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What annoys me about statements like this is this quick-judgment of every single person who receives a check from the government. It's like saying you have insight into the millions of people who've lost their jobs, have no place to work, no place to live, etc... And that you can honestly say you know for a fact that you're "paying them to take a vacation." It bespeaks a great amount of ignorance to the lives of people in this country to cast a huge blanket over them and to convict them all of being lazy and waiting for a check in the mail.

Are there people who do such things? Yes. Unfortunately, there are people who do sit around and wait for a check. But, statistical data has little to show that this is the norm amongst people out of work.

There are a lot of people out of work in this country. To say "They need to get a job" is another statement of glaring ignorance. Precisely where do they need to get a job? There are certain cities where people line up by the thousands to fill 25 job openings. If we used that as a very brief and inconclusive statistical analysis, we could say that for every 25 jobs there are 1000 people who need one or.... 1:40. Those are pretty crappy odds for someone who wants to defy the image of "taking a vacation" by seeking out a job.

Just remember this the next time you decide to criticize millions of people in this country:

There are people without jobs who would do anything to get one. There are people who are very close to making something for themselves. I've met unemployed people a year away from graduating medical school who were using government subsidies to push themselves through school and to become doctors. I've met people who have three crappy jobs, working 16-18 hours a day, and can still barely afford a place to live. But, they have a job. They are trying. They are working. And maybe that hard work will pay off one day. But, for now, it just isn't happening. Screw those people too, right? To lump those kinds of people in with the people whose "vacation" you're paying for is ridiculous and grossly ignorant of both statistical data and reality.
What are you rambling about!!! Did you even read the OP before you responded about people who are for socialism. He asked why Capitalism and not socialism. You're ranting about something completely different.

Seems the OP wants us to be like France, vacation more, than work. Well, sorry buddy, I've worked all my life to get what I have and other's can do the same.

By the way, I never can afford a vacation, so I'm sure in the hell not going to be willing to pay for someone else's. If you want to put your money in their account, get with it.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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I think this pretty much sums it up...


Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. - John Steinbeck
Dangit ya beat me to the Steinbeck quote.



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Simple answer: This country was built on independence and individualism. It's in our genes.
Except every written account of frontier life depicted it as highly communalist out of necessity e.g. A Midwife's Tale.
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Old 01-29-2012, 08:12 PM
 
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So what happened to Brits?
Why did they become so socialist? Different genes or what?
Those Pilgrims left for a reason didn't they!!
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