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Old 01-29-2012, 11:30 AM
 
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Just curious -

Why are most Americans so capitalistic and hate socialism? It seems like they hate helping low-income and poor people, don't care about any vacation days off from work etc. unlike Europe?
It seems like they LOVE LOVE LOVE overworking and don't care about relaxing and going on vacation. Surprise.... life is short and enjoy!
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I think this pretty much sums it up...


Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. - John Steinbeck
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:13 PM
 
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I don't want to pay for others vacations. If people don't like being poor they have to work, nothing should come from waiting for a check in the mail, that's unless you earned it.

I ask why do you like socialism, why should we pay for someone to be poor??
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Just curious -

Why are most Americans so capitalistic and hate socialism? It seems like they hate helping low-income and poor people, don't care about any vacation days off from work etc. unlike Europe?
It seems like they LOVE LOVE LOVE overworking and don't care about relaxing and going on vacation. Surprise.... life is short and enjoy!
I think everyone should relax and take a vacation. On their own dime.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Northern MN
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I don't want to pay for others vacations. If people don't like being poor they have to work, nothing should come from waiting for a check in the mail, that's unless you earned it.

I ask why do you like socialism, why should we pay for someone to be poor??
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I wish, I could afford to be poor and be on vacation everyday
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:22 PM
 
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If you want to be rich and have a lot of time off, then go work for the federal government. You get paid handsomely, have plenty of time off, receive Cadillac benefits, and get to retire in 20 years.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Palm Springs, CA
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Simple answer: This country was built on independence and individualism. It's in our genes.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:26 PM
 
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Just curious -

Why are most Americans so capitalistic and hate socialism? It seems like they hate helping low-income and poor people, don't care about any vacation days off from work etc. unlike Europe?
It seems like they LOVE LOVE LOVE overworking and don't care about relaxing and going on vacation. Surprise.... life is short and enjoy!
You are free to relocate to Europe at any time. Personally I'm content with my paid 6 weeks off per year as well as the freedom to take off any additional uncompensated time I desire.

We are not a socialist society. No one is forcing you to endure out capitalistic nature. I will happily contribute to your airfare (despite my belief that you are little other than a returning troll or an existing troll with multiple usernames) should you choose to relocate.

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Old 01-29-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: United State of Texas
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Socialism does not work. Too many people are simply willing to sit on their a$$ and let others pay their way. The "poor" that many like to trumpet as people that need help are often a product of their own stupidity. Across the board, they refuse to take advantage of a free education and expect the government to bail them out when they make dumb choices in life.

Opportunity exists in this country. Nobody gave me anything and I worked my way into some degree of prosperity. Those who don't just accept being poor can make something happen with a little hard work and determination.

Sorry. Refusing to help yourself does not make me want to support you and your offspring for generations.
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Old 01-29-2012, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I don't want to pay for others vacations. If people don't like being poor they have to work, nothing should come from waiting for a check in the mail, that's unless you earned it.

I ask why do you like socialism, why should we pay for someone to be poor??
What annoys me about statements like this is this quick-judgment of every single person who receives a check from the government. It's like saying you have insight into the millions of people who've lost their jobs, have no place to work, no place to live, etc... And that you can honestly say you know for a fact that you're "paying them to take a vacation." It bespeaks a great amount of ignorance to the lives of people in this country to cast a huge blanket over them and to convict them all of being lazy and waiting for a check in the mail.

Are there people who do such things? Yes. Unfortunately, there are people who do sit around and wait for a check. But, statistical data has little to show that this is the norm amongst people out of work.

There are a lot of people out of work in this country. To say "They need to get a job" is another statement of glaring ignorance. Precisely where do they need to get a job? There are certain cities where people line up by the thousands to fill 25 job openings. If we used that as a very brief and inconclusive statistical analysis, we could say that for every 25 jobs there are 1000 people who need one or.... 1:40. Those are pretty crappy odds for someone who wants to defy the image of "taking a vacation" by seeking out a job.

Just remember this the next time you decide to criticize millions of people in this country:

There are people without jobs who would do anything to get one. There are people who are very close to making something for themselves. I've met unemployed people a year away from graduating medical school who were using government subsidies to push themselves through school and to become doctors. I've met people who have three crappy jobs, working 16-18 hours a day, and can still barely afford a place to live. But, they have a job. They are trying. They are working. And maybe that hard work will pay off one day. But, for now, it just isn't happening. Screw those people too, right? To lump those kinds of people in with the people whose "vacation" you're paying for is ridiculous and grossly ignorant of both statistical data and reality.
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