Anti-War Protestors Prolong War And Kill More American Military - Proof: The Vietnam War (politicians, leader)
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I have repeatedly stressed the need for WISE decisions to be made by our elected officials.
Repeatedly stressed? You only made one comment where you even used the term “decided wisely”. You only gave 2 examples.
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Originally Posted by Yeledaf
To argue otherwise is to pretend that the forces of evil can somehow be convinced to mend their ways through bribery or browbeating. Only an idealist or a child would think that way.
I am assuming that you are an idealist."
So you read “WISE decision” into this example? It doesn’t even hint at decision making or even “WISE” decision making.
Repeatedly stressed? You only made one comment where you even used the term “decided wisely”. You only gave 2 examples.
So you read “WISE decision” into this example? It doesn’t even hint at decision making or even “WISE” decision making.
1. Well, jeez. How many examples do you want? Is this a quiz? If I draw pictures for you, do I get extra credit?
2. My comment dealt with the need for a basic understanding of how the world works, which is most certainly a basis for wisdom. Or perhaps you prefer the Neville Chamberlain approach?
1. Well, jeez. How many examples do you want? Is this a quiz? If I draw pictures for you, do I get extra credit?
Well this comment is obvious that you know you havent “repeatedly stressed” it so you revert to childish remarks. Don’t worry, you don’t need to do some rorschach drawings to show your bloodthirst for war.
Well this comment is obvious that you know you havent “repeatedly stressed” it so you revert to childish remarks. Don’t worry, you don’t need to do some rorschach drawings to show your bloodthirst for war.
Sorry, dude. I'm not here to satisfy your preconceived notions of who I should be or how I should think.
I think greedy warmongers like Bush are the cause for the troop deaths PERIOD! I mean seriously, if we just left the situation alone in the first place and didn't meddle in others business, 9-11 would not have happened. The public has been totally against this war and Bush has gone against the will of the people constantly. As far as Vietnam was concerned, the protesters are not to blame, the administration kept them in a bad situation far too long. Bring the troops home NOW!!!!
Neither the Vietnamese nor the Iraqis invaded America...they were wars of choice...
vietname is a big subject but you said iraq did not invade us.
true but a collection of people closely associated with the power structure of the mid east blew up new york. that deserved some action. so your statement that "they" did not invade i do not feel is 100% accurate.
a military response, considering the magnitude of the attack, not just twin towers, was for the usa, appropriate.
now if you wanted to talk about pearl harbor instead of vietman i would be on firmer ground to defend our actions than vietnam. to fairly talk about vietnam you would have to concede that there was at the time a lot of carryover fear over the world communist takeover theory and russian and china were at full force. to be fair, our past decisions must be looked at in the context of the times.
stephen s
san diego
So Bush goes to War on the basis of lies, illegally, invading a sovereign Nation, and the war protesters are the ones responsible for the deaths of US troops ? Am I missing something here or should the Commander in charge be charged for war crimes ?????
So Bush goes to War on the basis of lies, illegally, invading a sovereign Nation, and the war protesters are the ones responsible for the deaths of US troops ? Am I missing something here or should the Commander in charge be charged for war crimes ?????
I don't think anyone is making the argument you propose (that the protestors are solely responsible, etc.). That is a a strawman. The title of this thread deals with the effect that anti-war protests have had in encouraging and providing support for those who oppose our aim of democratizing Iraq, just as the protests gave unquestioned (and some would say, highly effective) support to the North Vietnamese and their allies to complete their conquest of the south...all with the effect of bringing about the deaths of MORE of our soldiers than would have occurred had the country presented a united front to our enemies.
I don't know how you define "war crimes", but the efforts of a president to prosecute a military action against forces hostile to our core beliefs in encouraging peace, representative democracy, and economic and social freedom for all people (all of which are characteristics of classic political liberalism, by the way) -- forces whose tactics basically consist of sneak bombing attacks against unarmed civilians to foment terror and despair -- is about as far from fitting that charge as it is possible to be.
The mistakes made by the president and his administration are manifold. But I would argue that they stem from ignorance of the situation on the ground, an inability to apply skillful diplomacy to ensure allied cooperation, and an unwillingness to apply sufficient force in proper forms to accomplish the purported mission. We are in the untenable positon of using infantry forces as policemen and social workers, with a hostile press and a well-organized political network eager to seize on each example of soldiers either failing at their new "missions" as gendarmerie or case-worker, or of acting like soldiers and lashing out violently at miscreants. It's lose/lose for our troops, and the press and protestors have exacerbated the situation in a way that is patently wrong and arguably treasonous.
Wrongheaded leadership? Sure. War crimes committed by the president? Nah.
An "anti-war" (really, anti-US) movement that works in effect for the defeat of our country's efforts and thus, objectively, for the deaths of more of our soldiers than would have occurred otherwise?
Inescapably true.
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