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Old 02-06-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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That's like asking "Are fat people fat because thin people are thin?"
Not it isn't. Not a good analogy. Horrible actually.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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Exactly how does ones wealth have anything to do with another being poor?
About as much as a skinny person is skinny because a fat person is fat.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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It doesn't. Not in the least. To hear liberals talk, you'd think there's a finite number of dollars floating around and the rich people have monopolized those dollars.

Equality of Opportunity....we can all support it. What we (I) can't support is Equality of Outcome, as if the money i've earned through blood, sweat, and tears should be handed to those who aren't successful. It's Un-American.
That's the problem because I don't think that is the case for various reasons. In the US more than in many other Western countries your chances in life depend on the family/environment you are born into. Sure, there are people who make it from the bottom to the top, but statistically they are the exception.


Wealth/money is limited, naturally the more of it there is in the hands of some members of society, the more scarce it is in the hands of the rest. The economy ain't the miracle of the loaves and fishes There is only so much demand, thus only so much supply, thus only so much work etc.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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YEP, we're staying in hotel on the estate but who know, maybe you'll be waiting on us somewhere.
Don't flatter yourself. I'm off Hendersonville Road near the Parkway.

The Biltmore is a nice place to be staying. You can surely see the irony of complaining about rich people while staying there.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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You have been around the block. Okay that proves nothing. Show me the evidence that poor choose to be that way and that they could get out of poverty because stating your opinion does not make it an fact.
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Brookings whittled down a lot of analysis into three simple rules. You can avoid poverty by:
1. Graduating from high school.
2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.
3. Having a full-time job.
If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.
Three rules for staying out of poverty | jacksonville.com
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Advocates for the poor have too long argued that welfare was the solution to poverty. Yet most evidence points in a different direction. The reform of welfare in 1996 has had far more positive effects on employment, earnings, and poverty rates than almost anyone anticipated. The data summarized in this brief suggest this is because work is a powerful antidote to poverty and that, in its absence, no politically feasible amount of welfare can fill the gap as effectively.


The short-term implication of this finding is that fiscally strapped states need help if they are to continue to fund programs that move welfare recipients into the work force and keep them there in a softer economy. The longer-term implication is that steps should be taken to move the entire system of benefits targeted to lower-income Americans more toward encouraging work and marriage and less toward providing unconditional assistance to those who do not work and who bear children outside of marriage.
http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2003...s_haskins.aspx

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There is no dispute that marriage has declined more among the poor and minorities than among the middle class - and that nonmarital births, now the major cause of single-parent families, are rampant among minority groups. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, children living in single-parent families are about five times as likely to live in poverty. There’s also a high probability they’ll drop out of school, get arrested, be involved in teen pregnancy themselves, have more mental health problems, and be less likely to be employed or in school as young adults. Indeed, parents themselves are physically and psychologically better off when married than single.
http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/20...e_haskins.aspx

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Old 02-06-2012, 05:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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About as much as a skinny person is skinny because a fat person is fat.
It would be a fitting analogy if the fat person was eating most of the available food.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Are the ignorant ignorant because they misspell the word "becuase"
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Are the ignorant ignorant because they misspell the word "becuase"
and even more ignorant because they won't/can't use spell check.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Nice generalization! I guess you know every poor person to know what decisions no then you should be smarter then making an generalization about nothing you know about. Where does it say min is not supposed to be a living wage? Show me where it is written. It is the same old weak arguments.
I know plenty of them. I've been poor most my adult life. I was one of those that did not excel in school. I've worked four jobs at a time to survive. That's the difference between me and people that choose to stay poor. I was willing to WORK. I was able to take a few college classes. Eventually I landed the job I have now. I've been there near 12 years. There is no excuse for being poor in this country, but this country isn't going to fix your poverty. You have to do that for yourself by bettering yourself to earn a living wage, not an entry level wage.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I know plenty of them. I've been poor most my adult life. I was one of those that did not excel in school. I've worked four jobs at a time to survive. That's the difference between me and people that choose to stay poor. I was willing to WORK. I was able to take a few college classes. Eventually I landed the job I have now. I've been there near 12 years. There is no excuse for being poor in this country, but this country isn't going to fix your poverty. You have to do that for yourself by bettering yourself to earn a living wage, not an entry level wage.
As David Brooks writes in the Times today:

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The essential truth about poverty is that we will never fully understand what causes it. There are a million factors that contribute to poverty, and they interact in a zillion ways.

Some of the factors are economic: the shortage of low-skill, entry-level jobs. Some of the factors are historical: the legacy of racism. Some of the factors are familial: the breakdown in early attachments between infants and caregivers and the cognitive problems that often result from that. Some of them are social: the shortage of healthy role models and mentors.

The list of factors that contribute to poverty could go on and on, and the interactions between them are infinite. Therefore, there is no single magic lever to pull to significantly reduce poverty. The only thing to do is change the whole ecosystem.
Thus, to identify a single cause means that one is definitely wrong. If you think it is simple, you are wrong.
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