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Old 02-02-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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No, wrong again.

"CONGRESS" is the key word here and Congress didn't put that banner there and Congress didn't ESTABLISH any religion.
So the 1st only applies to congress?
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:56 PM
 
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This is funny. You consider a phrase as trying to "establish" a religion?! LMAO!
Lemon v. Kurtzman. The school was in the wrong, and a phone call to any law student would've made that clear. But they insisted on having their day in court and cost their constituents $173,000 - more if they're dumb enough to appeal, which they probably are.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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So the 1st only applies to congress?
Actually, the 14th amendment means that all forms of government are bound by the rules of the constitution.

It is the reason that a county cannot have a County Church or County Religion. They are still bound by the first amendment.
It is the reason why you are allowed to plead the fifth in a city court. They are bound to abide by the fifth amendment.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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Ever notice how the ACLU and other atheist bigots only go after Christians, but never Jews or Muslims or any other religious group? hmm.
That's because Jews and Muslims aren't constantly in our faces with their religion the way Christians are.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:02 PM
 
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That's because Jews and Muslims aren't constantly in our faces with their religion the way Christians are.
I've had atheists in my face over their religious beliefs a lot lately.

The court made the correct decision, doesn't make it right to make bigoted attacks on all christians over this though.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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LOL! Sure. So why didn't the School Districts lawyers make your crazy legal argument to the Judge?
Apparently their lawyers did go to Law School - or knew how to use Google.

So their only chance was to argue that just because an implication begins with "Our Heavenly Father" and ends with "Amen", that doesn't make it a prayer, nuh-uh. The judge, not being born yesterday, told them to stop being silly in his courtroom, albeit in more judicial terms. The fact that he'd read the minutes from the School Board meetings, where there was enough religion to power a mid-sized revival, didn't exactly help the School Board insisting on their purely secular purpose, once they were in court. A certain rule about bearing false witness springs to mind, but I guess they felt exempted.

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Old 02-02-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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Apparently their lawyers did go to Law School - or knew how to use Google.

So their only chance was to argue that just because an implication begins with "Our Heavenly Father" and ends with "Amen", that doesn't make it a prayer, nuh-uh. The judge, not being born yesterday, told them to stop being silly in his courtroom, albeit in more judicial terms.
The words "School Prayer" on top of the banner should have been a dead giveaway.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
 
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The words "School Prayer" on top of the banner should have been a dead giveaway.
But it's a secular prayer, don't you see?
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:24 PM
 
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But it's a secular prayer, don't you see?
In addition to copies of the constitution, the supporters of this banner need a dictionary.
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Old 02-02-2012, 03:34 PM
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So an attorney, who won their case as per the judges decision, want's to be paid for the work he did? Is that about it?

Yes, and the school could have avoided the trial and the cost of the legal fees if they had just removed the banner. The Christians decided to dig their heels in and were smacked hard by case law and precedence.

The school decided to tilt at a very expensive windmill and lost big.
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