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Pro-choice has been providing these "services" for a very ling time. Where is the pay off except for more unwanted pregnancies?
First off compared to the rest of the western world our access to bc for teens,sex education,and abortions is quite restrictive. You will also notice that in those countries the teen pregnancy rate is half of what it is here if not more in some countries.
I dunno. If they're not stupid when it comes to PR, how did they get caught in multiple stings offering services to underage prostitutes? I've seen the videos myself. They're pretty damning.
Anyway, it still seems to me the prudent thing to do is to suspend funding pending the outcome of the investigation.
And for potential protesters to wait for:
1) Assuming PP comes thru the investigation guilt-free, see if SGK does in fact restore the funding.
2) See what SGK does with the funds in lieu of donating them to PP. If the funds do as much or more to advance the cause of breast cancer awareness and prevention in whatever capacity they are used, then there is no legitimate cause for concern.
You've seen some youtube videos, not admissable in court. They could be doctored.
As for your solutions, you're late to the party. SGK has rescinded its "policy", and some heads have rolled.
Death, violence, and abuse inflicted on humanity is not what was called hyperbole.
Your continuous hysterical shrieking about the evils of the male gender is what was called hyperbole. It's bigotry, pure and simple.
If you would refrain projecting hostility towards womankind with every word out of your mouth, you'd be correct. The Powell case is a murder contest? Really?
When you're guilty, it's not bigotry. It's called being held accountable for YOUR behavior. Foreign concept? You're calling yourself conservative?
If I'm discussing the behavior of guilty men (not all men), and you, along with your cohorts in this thread come to their aid and defend their 'right' to be abusive, that makes you equally guilty.
Identical mentality of police officers who refuse to enforce the law for violent victimizations of domestic partners. Identical mentality of doctors refusing to report domestic violence when he's got a six inch pile of documentation of broken bones going of for a decade sitting on his desk. Turn a blind eye. It's someone else's problem. Protecting the male ego is job #1. Avoiding accountability defines 'manhood' in your world? That's a self inflicted wound. Blaming your mamma forever will never change the fact that you've willfully chosen to avoid growing up. It's not everyone else you're chasing around to scapegoat. It's all about you. Just like Newt!
Amazing how some posters on here can go OFF TOPIC and no one crys OFF TOPIC!! Since when does men bashing go with Komen or Planned Parent Hood. Where do they fit in at all, at least this is what I'm told.
Some must be able to get away with anything on CD and the anger mob just allows it.
3%? More like 90%. They can say they do other services since then send home packets of literature to those who get abortions. They list each pamphlet as a separate service to show how good they are doing on other issues.
Even when you calculate percentages in terms of abortions performed per unduplicated client seen, abortions were still only 11 percent of Planned Parenthood's services in 2009.
But as far as totaling services provided, counting each service separately is standard among medical practices and is done mostly for insurance billing purposes.
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SGK is a foundation. Foundations exist to donate funds. PP is under investigation. Not only that, but they are specifically under investigation for mishandling funding.
Planned Parenthood is under investigation only because some crackpot legislator has a burr under his saddle.
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My job is to allocate funds to breast cancer awareness and prevention. So I'm supposed to give more money to a group that's already being investigated for diverting funds to abortion that weren't supposed to be used for that purpose???
That is pure unfounded allegation from said crackpot legislator.
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I just can't help thinking that if SGK had announced they were pulling funding from Generic Charity A because they were under investigation for routing funds to pay for European vacations for the bigwigs that everyone would be loudly applauding. So it's really not the SGK exec who injected abortion into the issue, it's the outraged people here on this forum and elswhere that did it.
Well ... wrong. The people are outraged because Planned Parenthood "refined" its guidelines for the purpose of eliminating one organization and one organization only from its giving. Komen's motivation came from one executive level staff member with a history of not only being loudly pro-life (and there's nothing wrong with that), but also proclaiming loudly that she wanted to rescind state funds from Planned Parenthood if she were elected governor of Georgia.
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The problem seems to be that the investigation itself was probably politically motivated vs. based on facts. The member of Congress calling for an investigation doesn't have proof that one is needed in the first place--you can pretty much "call for an investigation" of any thing you want. Restricting a group for funding because they are being investigated, vs. restricting a group because they have been found to be guilty of financial mismanagement, are two very different things.
Absolutely. Underscore.
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Here's why financial mismanagement is very unlikely. In order to receive most foundation and certainly federal dollars, Planned Parenthood (and every other credible nonprofit) already has to go through a very thorough annual audit, conducted by an outside firm, that evaluates financial practices and makes sure that monies are spent according to the restrictions of each funder.
Not to mention that Planned Parenthood, as a medical provider, is poked and prodded, inspected, certified and audited by everyone from the county health department to state Medicare and Medicaid overseers. When various chapters of Planned Parenthood have made billing or other mistakes -- and they have, it's no secret -- those mistakes were on the whole found to be quite minor and easily rectified.
Even when you calculate percentages in terms of abortions performed per unduplicated client seen, abortions were still only 11 percent of Planned Parenthood's services in 2009.
But as far as totaling services provided, counting each service separately is standard among medical practices and is done mostly for insurance billing purposes.
Planned Parenthood is under investigation only because some crackpot legislator has a burr under his saddle.
That is pure unfounded allegation from said crackpot legislator.
Well ... wrong. The people are outraged because Planned Parenthood "refined" its guidelines for the purpose of eliminating one organization and one organization only from its giving. Komen's motivation came from one executive level staff member with a history of not only being loudly pro-life (and there's nothing wrong with that), but also proclaiming loudly that she wanted to rescind state funds from Planned Parenthood if she were elected governor of Georgia.
Absolutely. Underscore.
Not to mention that Planned Parenthood, as a medical provider, is poked and prodded, inspected, certified and audited by everyone from the county health department to state Medicare and Medicaid overseers. When various chapters of Planned Parenthood have made billing or other mistakes -- and they have, it's no secret -- those mistakes were on the whole found to be quite minor and easily rectified.
Strongly disagree. The way you 'fight' abortion is education. Adults need to take a good hard look through her eyes and seeing exactly why she's making that choice. Then offer better choices and better perspectives. Help her solve her own problems wherever we are able.
That said, what motive would RTL have to undermine their own cause by maintaining the very ignorance that got her where she found herself, and the job PP has tasked itself to deal with? If the esteem of young girls is regularly assaulted in crucial years, it sends her off in life conditioned to believe that her sexuality is her only asset. Wind her up to deliver her to the religious pimps and street pimps alike. The cycle must be broken. The dignity of women must be asserted, and that's all but impossible among religious males conditioned to negatively compete with opposite gender and derive their self esteem by robbing females of theirs. This is not honor thy mother and thy father true equality. This is not in keeping with Judeo-Christian ethics. It's hideous.
You didn't watch the videos did you? PP is providing girls with abortions who got pregnant by older men. A 16 year old with a 25 year old man. That is rape in most states but they just tell the girl not to tell the man's age. This is on a phone message and proven.
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