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Old 02-05-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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Yes bombarding, when you have s group of people that clearly has well defined political side like teachers that bias will inevitably skew what they are teaching kids. If a vast majority of teachers had conservative values the liberals would be losing their minds and rightfully so.



Irrelevant where politics are concerned, they do not belong inside a public classrom. Period. There is nothing to discuss about this, it's not a teachers job to bring their own political views into a classroom whether it's liberal or conservative.
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That doesn't change the fact the image on the very first page has workers on the capitalist side with a ball chained to their leg and their clothes in tatters. THAT is what is going to stick inside a young mind more than any words they read.
Since most Americans are conservative, a more liberal school environment is an important counterweight.
You will always have teachers' opinions at school, simply because they are not robots, but people with views on the subjects taught. Your demanding students not be confronted with teachers' opinions is like demanding there be no crime. it may be a nice idea, but it doesn't work in reality as people are people.

Although the image is a bit naive, it is not entirely wrong. Maybe that is one of the reasons why people get so excited over such an image
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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That is the schools response, you would expect anything different?

You don't see the issue with cartoon? This is politically neutral or even accurate?
The school was talking about communism from the point of view of communists.

Its education to show both sides of the issue.

The next lesson at the school was to show how communism failed and capitalism was a better system.

But thats not what the OP and "the blaze" want you to think of.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:46 AM
 
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Since most Americans are conservative, a more liberal school environment is an important counterweight.
Politics do not belong in a classroom, end of discussion.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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That is the schools response, you would expect anything different?

You don't see the issue with cartoon?

The issue I see is this:

Right wingers jumping to false conclusions on the basis of partial reports designed to push their buttons.

The lesson presented both sides of the Cold War. That's how students learn to analyze situations rahter than swallowing stilted propoganda.

I'm old enough to remember the Cold War. And seeing posters in the city buses with the photo of Kruschev pounding his shoe on the table at the UN and shouting, "We will bury you!"

I served in the USMC during the Cold War.

Teaching today's kids about that period would have to involve some information from both sides. The lesson wasn't indoctrination. It was information on what the commies used as propoganda.

But I can certainly see where a smidgen of poorly made "propoganda" used in a single classroom in Iowa as part of a lesson on the Cold War would set the alarm bells ringing in the minds of those incapable of grasping the concept of critical thinking.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Politics do not belong in a classroom, end of discussion.
Why? Why shouldn't students learn about communism and its failure? Do you want to repeat it here?
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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The school was talking about communism from the point of view of communists.
There is no indication either on the schools website or in the handout that this was solely from the point of view of Communists.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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That doesn't change the fact the image on the very first page has workers on the capitalist side with a ball chained to their leg and their clothes in tatters. THAT is what is going to stick inside a young mind more than any words they read.
So in a high school class that lasts 16 ? weeks, teenagers are not going to remember the hours spent in class or the pages and pages of written material they were given to study for upcoming exams. They are only going to remember the tiny cartoon that appeared at the top of one page that was supposed to represent an example of propaganda. Even after it was explained to them what propaganda was, they will be so influenced by this one little cartoon that it will trump everything else they learned in class, everything else the learned in other classes, everything their parents ever taught them, and years of living in a capitalist country.

That makes sense to you?

If there really was an indoctrination of high school students going on I could certainly see the issue with that. But it honestly doesn't seem like that is even close to what happened here. Sometimes I feel the us vs them thing is so bad in this county that folks won't let go even when the particular claim doesn't make sense. The accuser was on a "team" so he must be defended at all costs. This is as bad as that "Romney hates the poor" thing that was going on earlier this week. That didn't make sense either but it didn't slow many people down. Stupid.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:53 AM
 
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Why? Why shouldn't students learn about communism and its failure? Do you want to repeat it here?
Teaching about communism is important but when you inject politics into the discussion (see the image above for reference) you are no longer teaching.
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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There is no indication either on the schools website or in the handout that this was solely from the point of view of Communists.
Again, the next lesson was about how capitalism beat communism.

Read the link I posted earlier for the schools actual response, before believing propaganda.

They taught us about communists view when I was in high school. And they also taught us why they failed. This school did the exact same thing.

And they get attacked because they showed the other side of the coin, and why it failed?

Amazing
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Old 02-05-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Teaching about communism is important but when you inject politics into the discussion (see the image above for reference) you are no longer teaching.
The image was a direct reflection of the communist view. It was used to enhance the lesson.

And no, this isn't politics, its acknowledging communist propaganda, and an explanation of why it was wrong.
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