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You're right. He is one of the FEW leftists that has held onto his principles and intellectual honesty.
You and I disagree on virtually every issue, but I find you are one of the few liberals on this board that has held obama's feet to the fire on his many hypocrisies.
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The poll shows that 53 percent of self-identified liberal Democrats — and 67 percent of moderate or conservative Democrats — support keeping Guantanamo Bay open, even though it emerged as a symbol of the post-Sept. 11 national security policies of George W. Bush, which many liberals bitterly opposed.
Tells us the "outrage" demonstrated by the Left was nothing more than politics and PHONY to the core.
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The Democratic Party owes a sincere apology to George Bush, Dick Cheney and company for enthusiastically embracing many of the very Terrorism policies which caused them to hurl such vehement invective at the GOP for all those years.
Yeah, now that they've embraced the same policies under a liberal, this will never happen.
I bet if we go back on this board, we could find tons posts/threads that demonstrate the hypocrisy.
I think its wrong to call it liberal hypocrisy because Obama is not a liberal and has never called himself one. Democrats and liberals are 2 separate things, the Democrats are a right leaning party on most issues while the Republicans are almost the same but add a religious component.
True. But there are real liberals and there are establishment liberals that are only into their side winning. And to my surprise I thought establishment liberals were a much smaller group.
Just as there are real conservatives (rare as hen's teeth) and fake conservatives (authoritarians)
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If you believe in the positions of the Democratic Party, you won't let such silliness influence your vote.
Seriously, if needless, illegal wars and the right to due process are "fluff" issues, then I want no part of your Democratic Party.
That article was backed up by rigorous sourcing. Why would you refer to it as silly? And what did he write that was not true?
Is it because you only care about the rights that concern you, while other demonized, mistreated persons or groups can go get lost?
I care about gay rights and I care that Muslims are being denied their Constitutional rights, needlessly killed by American drones, and held without charges for going on a Decade.
And you think you are the "good" Democrat?
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great post; it's always great when people can objectively assess the inconsistencies of their own side, whether D or R.
I think it's another example of the magical thinking that is rife in today's political discourse, on both sides. I posted about this not long ago in connection with a remark made by pollster Scott Rasmussen. He said that he finds in polling that when an R president is in, R's tend to be optomistic about the economy, and D's pessimestic. And with a D prez, just the reverse--D's see 'green shoots' everywhere while R's just seen green shytes.
It's really no different a thought process from the early American colonists who expected their leaders to keep the witches at bay, so as to prevent crop-destroying bad weather.
True. But there are real liberals and there are establishment liberals that are only into their side winning. And to my surprise I thought establishment liberals were a much smaller group.
Just as there are real conservatives (rare as hen's teeth) and fake conservatives (authoritarians)
Just out of curiosity, who do you call a "real" liberal?
1) Obama not liberal? All this time I was under impression he is a non American Muslim and a Communist!
2) Those unhappy with Obama, can always vote for Newt. He needs your votes guys!
3) I really don't get what the lunies want to do with arrested terrorists. I agree that Gitmo is a bad (and quite weird) solution, but what trials do you expect? Same as US citizens? Not even in their home countries they get US civil rights. Just because of a preposterous legal system should we shoot ourselves in the foot?
4) Saying that Obama killed babies is misleading. US targets terrorists and all non combatants were unfortunate and tragic casualties. Terrorists on the other hand, target mostly civilains. That's the tiny difference most lunies fail to understand.
1) Obama not liberal? All this time I was under impression he is a non American Muslim and a Communist!
2) Those unhappy with Obama, can always vote for Newt. He needs your votes guys!
3) I really don't get what the lunies want to do with arrested terrorists. I agree that Gitmo is a bad (and quite weird) solution, but what trials do you expect? Same as US citizens? Not even in their home countries they get US civil rights. Just because of a preposterous legal system should we shoot ourselves in the foot?
4) Saying that Obama killed babies is misleading. US targets terrorists and all non combatants were unfortunate and tragic casualties. Terrorists on the other hand, target mostly civilains. That's the tiny difference most lunies fail to understand.
Another option, withhold your vote all together or vote for a Green Party candidate. This is what I will do.
In rare cases, the Dem candidate is such a loser, back stabber that his base must hit the self destruct button.
If you don't have a point where you are willing say no, then they are going to walk all over you.
I think its wrong to call it liberal hypocrisy because Obama is not a liberal and has never called himself one.
That's because Obobo the Socialist Clown is a radical socialist, student of the Cloward-Pivens strategy to detsroy capitalism, direct links to anti-American terrorists, and finally , a Kenyan bastard that will stand with his Muslim brothers - even though their most sacred book openly and defiantely state their religious goal is to kill the infidels.
In other words, Obobo is public enemy #1 POS.
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