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Old 02-09-2012, 11:07 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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Good riddance to NCLB.

Now, abolish the entire Dept. of Education, along with about 5 other departments filled with worthless bureaucratic piles of crap.

Then give the finger to the NEA brownshirts and disband all teacher's unions.

Perhaps then the education system in this country can get back on track. Because what we are doing now SAS isn't working. But I suppose the authoritarian top-down big government central planning types will clamor for us to throw more money down the drain, instead of doing something that would actually work.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:18 PM
 
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It was a stupid law. In fact EVERY federal law regarding education is a stupid law. Education should be left to the states and municipalities, and the feds should keep their noses out of it.
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Good riddance to NCLB.

Now, abolish the entire Dept. of Education, along with about 5 other departments filled with worthless bureaucratic piles of crap.

Then give the finger to the NEA brownshirts and disband all teacher's unions.

Perhaps then the education system in this country can get back on track. Because what we are doing now SAS isn't working. But I suppose the authoritarian top-down big government central planning types will clamor for us to throw more money down the drain, instead of doing something that would actually work.
You fail to explain how any of what you say will make education in the country better than what it is.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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You fail to explain how any of what you say will make education in the country better than what it is.
Want me to do your thinking for you? Must be a product of the current education system.

Without having to do a refresher on elementary reading comprehension, it was implicit in my comments that the problems with education in this country are 1.) Big government top-down boondoggles like the DOE, and 2.) Corrupt teacher's unions.

Get rid of those two things, which I claim are "bad", and I argue that the education system would improve.

Want me to write a 10-page paper on it for you?
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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A sad day in America??

It is not the responsibility of a government program to educate our kids. Of course it failed. Government can't motivate kids to learn. That's what parents and family are for. They are the ones who should have a vested interest in their kids getting an education. The teachers may care for a time - but students come and go.

So now government has to motivate teachers to teach and schools to pump out graduates. The focus is on the wrong people. The parents need to be motivated.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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Want me to do your thinking for you? Must be a product of the current education system.

Without having to do a refresher on elementary reading comprehension, it was implicit in my comments that the problems with education in this country are 1.) Big government top-down boondoggles like the DOE, and 2.) Corrupt teacher's unions.

Get rid of those two things, which I claim are "bad", and I argue that the education system would improve.

Want me to write a 10-page paper on it for you?
I want you not to be a moron. Try that. If you want to make an argument, support it. Don't just say "government bad," shove a thumb up your ass, and expect people to do your thinking. Explain and support your argument that reducing federal oversight of public schools, and union-busting public school teachers' unions would provide a "better" education program, lower costs, better teachers, smarter students, or any other possible beneficial outcomes.

If you want it to be ten pages, so be it. Just support an argument without being a conservative farce.
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Old 02-09-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Republic of Texas
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I want you not to be a moron. Try that.
No.

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If you want to make an argument, support it. Don't just say "government bad," shove a thumb up your ass, and expect people to do your thinking.
Government bad.

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Explain and support your argument that reducing federal oversight of public schools, and union-busting public school teachers' unions would provide a "better" education program, lower costs, better teachers, smarter students, or any other possible beneficial outcomes.
I'd much rather make flippant comments denigrating leftists, but if you insist.

My explanation and support is simple. We tried DOE and rampant teacher's unions. And we ended up with what we have now. An education system that is a laughing stock. Are you advocating that we double down on this farce?

We managed to put a man on the moon without a dept. of education. What exactly does DOE do that we cannot live without.

And what exactly do teacher's unions do for lowering costs, bettering teachers, making smarter students, or any other possible beneficial outcome? Answer: they don't.
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If you want it to be ten pages, so be it. Just support an argument without being a conservative farce.
The liberal farce is that the DOE and teacher's unions are anything other than detrimental to the education system. YOU support an argument to the contrary.
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Old 02-10-2012, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Well until we have posters who can read for comprehension and then turn around and respond to a post in a cogent and non-strawman manner...

What the frack does your comment have to do with what I wrote?????

Do you want less government involvement in education or less? Which is it going to be??
You're obviously making their heads hurt.

<cricket>
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:14 AM
 
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Well until we have posters who can read for comprehension and then turn around and respond to a post in a cogent and non-strawman manner...

What the frack does your comment have to do with what I wrote?????

Do you want less government involvement in education or less? Which is it going to be??
Are you saying the federal government is getting out of education? If so that would be great but I highly doubt that this is about the federal government ending it's interference and involvement.

It's just more government, the government deciding that inferior schools and incompetent teachers will be promoted and well-funded.
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Old 02-10-2012, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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You can't measure a student by how well they test.

Then how do you measure?
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Old 02-10-2012, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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>A horrible legislation is finally repealed
>Sad day for american children

No, maybe we can finally put this idiotic standardized testing bull behind us.

You can't measure a student by how well they test.
Your $hitting me right? It's your group that keeps our kiddo's in the world of stupid... How else are you going to measure knowledge?
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