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Old 02-10-2012, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I love it when men opine on issues about which they are clearly clueless.

Postmenopausal hormone therapy
Are contraceptives hard to come by? Expensive?

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The White House apparently wants t pretend that the funds for these outlays will come off of the Unobtanium Tree, where insurers find money to cover all mandates. This exposes once again a stunning ignorance of risk pools and how costs are passed along to consumers.

Their religious doctrines have long-standing prohibitions against participating in contraception and abortion, and nothing in this “accommodation” changes the fact that the government is now forcing them to both fund and facilitate access to products and services that offend their practice of religion.
Again, obama is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Did obama propose something similar in his home country?
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:42 PM
 
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Are contraceptives hard to come by? Expensive?

Obama “accommodation”: Insurers must cover contraception at no cost to … anyone?; Update: “Magical thinking,” says LA Times « Hot Air



Again, obama is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
Actually the insurance companies rather prefer dispensing birth control pills for free because it is vastly cheaper than having to pay for childbirth or abortions.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well , we all know how Obama feels if a woman gets pregnant.. he doesn't want someone to have an unwanted pregnancy because they will be punished with a baby.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Yeah, yeah, idiots are still filing lawsuits about birth certificates. No suprise, Obama haters need something to whine about. With the economy improving and Obama being untouchable on National Security, publicons have to contrive some outrage...Good Luck.



The federal government did not tell anybody that their beliefs are cultish delusions, I did. I did because I'm not the President and it's the truth. The catholic church is tax exempt and still wants additional special privledges. Is every person the catholic church employess a catholic? NO. Why should they not have there birth control covered? Damn near every woman including catholics use contraceptives and polls show a majority support the President in this matter. Republicans need a wedge issue because they can't compete in regards to any real issue so they've dug up a tried and true one, religion.
Your saying that its ok because their beliefs are cultish and delusional. I wouldn't disagree with your position on the Catholic church and organized religion.

But that can't be a reason for the federal government to do this, and it doesn't excuse it either. Its a federal overstep, period. I think the federal government should either nationalize healthcare, or don't. Make it a right under the constitution to healthcare, period. Go ahead, that would garner my support. As it would be a constitutional action, and it makes sense since most Americans want people to be covered for their health needs.

I also think it should run on a state by state basis. Because what is good for Florida may not be good for New York.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think Amanda Marcotte gets it right:

Obama needs young female voters to turn out at the polls in November, and hijacking two weeks of the news cycle to send the message that he's going to get you your birth control for free is a big win for him in that department. I expect to see some ads in the fall showing Romney saying hostile things about contraception and health care reform, with the message that free birth control is going away if he's elected. It's all so perfect that I'm inclined to think this was Obama's plan all along.

Didn't his mama every teach him that if you have to bribe your friends, they aren't really friends?!?!
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Didn't his mama every teach him that if you have to bribe your friends, they aren't really friends?!?!
Its not a bribe to think that health insurance should have to supply birth control as part of their coverage. It makes good sense, seeing as pregnancy is a huge cost burden on insurance carriers, and not to mention the new "mouth to feed" on top of that.

But the federal government should either be all in, or all out. Mandating what private corporations have to offer is well, unconstitutional and not what our founding documents suggest.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Here we go again.............. "pay for it themselves"
There are many women in the USA who CANNOT afford contraception.
They CANNOT afford to get contraception so guess what.........
If you are wealthy or in a good position you can control your pregnancies but if you are poor or less well off............ TOUGH!.... This seems to be the new American way... or so the right believe........... bottom line.... You get freedom of choice if you have money......
Actually, those who are poor like you describe already have free health care AND birth control on tax payer dime. It's those who are in the middle of rich and poor that is more at issue. And really, if we all paid for it ourselves instead of going through insurances, they'd be over the counter by now and much cheaper and easier for everyone to get!

But really, birth control is NOT expensive at all, even now! I can get an IUD for under $200 and condoms are less than $15 for a box. So to say you can't afford birth control is really dumb.
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Old 02-10-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama thinks having a baby is punishment




President Obama: 'I Don't Want Them Punished With A Baby' - YouTube


Obama wants to make sure no one gets punished by a baby so he is pushing his birth control agenda.
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Old 02-10-2012, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Its not a bribe to think that health insurance should have to supply birth control as part of their coverage. It makes good sense, seeing as pregnancy is a huge cost burden on insurance carriers, and not to mention the new "mouth to feed" on top of that.

But the federal government should either be all in, or all out. Mandating what private corporations have to offer is well, unconstitutional and not what our founding documents suggest.
I agree with you on the mandating... but on the part of what health insurance should or shouldn't cover should be negotiated between the insured and the insurer, should NOT be told what to cover by the government. If I don't want to have birth control coverage I shouldn't have to pay for it, if I don't want emergency room coverage, or urgent care, then I should be able to opt out of those things.

That's the problem with employer based insurance, the employer decides what's best for everyone, which is rarely actually correct. YMMV!
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