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Old 02-11-2012, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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How Oklahoma proved that Right to Work doesn't work after 10 years of it was offered to New Hampshire Republicans. As a result, it made some Republicans forget about trying to pass Right to Work for New Hampshire:

New Hampshire's Right-To-Work Bill Is Not A Job Creator, Critics Say

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Old 02-11-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Employee Freedom Minnesota encourages state lawmakers to restore individual worker freedoms and pass a Freedom of Employment Constitutional Amendment (House File 2140 and Senate File 1705) during the 2012 session.
  • Over 70% of Minnesotans support giving workers the individual freedom to decide to join and contribute to a union, or not. In fact, a majority of Republicans, Democrats and Independents, as well as, a majority of union workers support employee freedom
In other words, employees should have the right to freeload off of unions, even though unions are not free of expenses, sometimes involving protecting worker rights found in the labor contract. Essentially, such people are trying to get across that labor unions have no business being in the work place.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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How Oklahoma proved that Right to Work doesn't work after 10 years of it was offered to New Hampshire Republicans. As a result, it made those Republicans forget about trying to pass Right to Work for New Hampshire:

New Hampshire's Right-To-Work Bill Is Not A Job Creator, Critics Say
It's also a major flop here in Arizona. Hasn't brought anything worth a damn. Keeps wages completely in the toilet. This state is practically a plantation in the way of workers rights, wages and conditions. The wages when indexed to cost of living in this state is laughable in real terms.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It will never happen. The backlash in MN will put a democratic majority in both the house and senate when re elections come up. We will end up with stronger union protections because of this.

Republicans truly are the dumbest people on the planet.
By putting the issue up to a VOTE, by the people?

Yeah, ok.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:36 PM
 
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It's also a major flop here in Arizona. Hasn't brought anything worth a damn. Keeps wages completely in the toilet. This state is practically a plantation in the way of workers rights, wages and conditions. The wages when indexed to cost of living in this state is laughable in real terms.
I feel your pain. If only you could compel people to join a union so you could extort more money out of your boss instead of actually having to earn it, life would be so much better.

That pesky "freedom of association" crap just keeps getting in the way of your socialist utopia doesn't it?

But hey, you could try looking at it from a rational perspective for a minute. Right to work laws don't ban unions. They just ban you from forcing people to join them against their will. So you're free to form a union. All you have to do is demonstrate it's a good idea so that people will join it voluntarily.

Given that unions are not banned, then if people aren't forming and joining them then the rational conclusion is that a union isn't necessary. The rational conclusion is not to pass a law forcing them to join it involuntarily.

That's not how freedom works.
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I think a major reason why Right to Work has been slow to catch on in other states is because NOT having Right to Work has worked pretty good in keeping unions out over the years. Because when a union comes around wanting in, the workers can be truthfully told that if they let a union in, then that union will have the right to take money out of all worker's paychecks, whether they wish to become a union member, or not. Likely enough workers will not like the sound of that and vote to keep the union out.

On the other hand, in states that do have Right to Work, workers can be told they can try out having a union free of charge, and if they like the union, they can support it by becoming union members. If I were a worker, I suspect I would like the latter deal better and would vote YES to allowing a union in.

To conclude, I further think bringing in Right to Work is not about trying to keep unions out, but rather trying to weaken unions already established. Under newly passed Right to Work, the boss can tell the workers, if they want to enjoy a 2% raise, or whatever amount the union is taking out of paychecks, then all they need to do is drop their union memberships. If enough workers can be persuaded to do this, the boss will feel more confident about violating terms of the labor contract while hoping the union won't have enough money to hire legal help to fight it.

Anyway, I hope Right to Work fades away, because it's not in the best interest of the workers. Instead, it's by far in the best interest of the company.
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Old 02-11-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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But hey, you could try looking at it from a rational perspective for a minute. Right to work laws don't ban unions. They just ban you from forcing people to join them against their will. So you're free to form a union. All you have to do is demonstrate it's a good idea so that people will join it voluntarily.
And I bet you strongly support banning the minimum wage and seeing how close to ZERO Americans might be willing to work. But there is a big problem with that. It may promote something you abhor--unionism.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Why are liberals so against choice?
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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That's a very good way to look at it. Thank you.

I don't expect Minnesota to approve it. The average conservative American doesn't understand Minnesota culture. They have such a long history of egalitarianism and populism, it just seems highly unlikely.



Another conservative who doesn't understand Minnesota culture.

Trust me - Minnesotans don't want to be like Mississippi or Alabama.
As a native Minnesotan I concur completely. I'm surprised this idea is even been put forth in Minnesota.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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In other words, employees should have the right to freeload off of unions, even though unions are not free of expenses, sometimes involving protecting worker rights found in the labor contract. Essentially, such people are trying to get across that labor unions have no business being in the work place.
Freeload is a word better used with your union brothers! I'm proud to say that I was personally responsible for busting a union stranglehold and hire back the folks that knew the union was hoseing them over! Those boys make better money and have better benifits being non union then they did before. I was so happy last week when I looked the carpenters, regional steward in the eye and said we aren't forced to use union labor our 30 million dollar project. It will go to the low bidder...... and I can almost guarentee that'll be a non union shop!


P.S. We're all municipal employees too!!!!I love that state retirement..and my 457....and my 401.....and the 1 to 1 match...unions can eat it!
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