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Old 02-16-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I don't disagree with you about how we got here or about the need for something to be done. Regarding the two parties, I don't like either and they leave me with little hope of a good resolution of the heathcare issue.
But my question is, are you going to vote Republican? If so, you aren't really helping things. And arguments about "well they have access to condoms", isn't a valid one either.

If you want to help the cause, if you want to fix the problem, vote independent or third party. I have already pledged to do so myself. If you really want to help the cause and the argument, then drop crap like "well they can use condoms", because those things only stand to cause independent women who could see things our way, to turn against you because you are essentially telling them that its their fault already that they got pregnant.

Be realistic, there are realistic answers, and real arguments to be made. Every woman needs access to birth control pills. How we accomplish that is a good debate to have.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:09 PM
 
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You are correct that nothing is free. Someone will pay. Birth control pills will be "free" to those who use them and currently pay in full or pay a co-pay. Insurance premiums *might* rise, or they might not because it. If more women, who are low income and cannot pay the $9-$40 per month for whatever contraception works for them, end up using it because they can now afford it, maybe there will be less babies born to women in this position, which can only be a savings.

Having said that--there is also a mandate out that mammograms will be provided for free. My mammogram currently runs me about $350 if I haven't met my deductible (which I usually haven't when I'm due for one in January) or, it costs me $60 if I have. I'm okay with that because, well, I make a lot of money. I have no problem envisioning that there are women out there who could not swing the $350 or even the $60 and would delay or never have that mammogram. That could end up very badly. So I am for "free" mammograms, even though, obviously, they are not free.

I would also be for "free" diabetes screenings and other such things that would ultimately save people before they become catastrophic.
Where does it end.

Nothing is free.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Correct.
I find it quite interesting that it seems to be a majority of men on this forum that are so vociferous against this whole BC debate.
Why is that?
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:11 PM
 
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To the extent that contraception is in the hands of the government, innovation will be stifled.
And I thought all those who are for "choice" want the gov't out of their bedrooms!
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't disagree with you about how we got here or about the need for something to be done. Regarding the two parties, I don't like either and they leave me with little hope of a good resolution of the heathcare issue.
One more time... is there a cons to your position, or only pros?
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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I find it quite interesting that it seems to be a majority of men on this forum that are so vociferous against this whole BC debate.
Why is that?
I'm not against birth control. My wife and I use it, and when we were dating, I helped pay for it. I'm not against motorcycle helmets either, I just don't think the government should make my employer buy me one.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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And I thought all those who are for "choice" want the gov't out of their bedrooms!

They are out of my bedroom. They are not telling me that I have to use contraception nor are they telling me that I can't use it. They have said "here, it's available to you under your health plan and you can get it for free, just like your mammogram." What I would like is to get the Catholic Church OUT of dictating just who will get a standard level of care. I want religion taken OUT of standard health care.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:16 PM
 
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One more time... is there a cons to your position, or only pros?
Not sure I understand your question.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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But my question is, are you going to vote Republican? If so, you aren't really helping things. And arguments about "well they have access to condoms", isn't a valid one either.

If you want to help the cause, if you want to fix the problem, vote independent or third party. I have already pledged to do so myself. If you really want to help the cause and the argument, then drop crap like "well they can use condoms", because those things only stand to cause independent women who could see things our way, to turn against you because you are essentially telling them that its their fault already that they got pregnant.

Be realistic, there are realistic answers, and real arguments to be made. Every woman needs access to birth control pills. How we accomplish that is a good debate to have.
I haven't decided who is going to get my vote and am not someone that's against voting third party though. I do know at least one who isn't.
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Old 02-16-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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I find it quite interesting that it seems to be a majority of men on this forum that are so vociferous against this whole BC debate.
Why is that?
I find it interesting that so many women on this forum willingly throw the US Constitution under the bus in exchange for the government giving them "free stuff". Why is that?
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