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Old 02-16-2012, 05:42 PM
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Congress had no power to impose a direct income tax and has introduced legislation to repeal of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution, which was ratified on February 3, 1913.

An income tax is the most degrading and totalitarian of all possible taxes. Its implementation wrongly suggests that the government owns the lives and labor of the citizens it is supposed to represent. Tellingly, “a heavy progressive or graduated income tax” is Plank #2 of the Communist Manifesto, which was written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels and first published in 1848.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Well that would greatly depend on what it was replaced with, now wouldn't it?

Dumb question "Do you like income tax?" Who in their right mind would say yes?

Now, asking "Do you like this program, and that program, and do you think providing this government service at the current levels?" Those are much more relevant questions. And, if you tell the person they are paid for by income tax, well, it might change someones mind.

See how these whole "yes or no" questions really mislead people?

I personally favor 1 federal flat tax. Any income over 40,000 dollars gets taxed at the exact same tax rate, 0 corporate taxes.

If the government spends more money, fine, but tell the American people how much you plan on raising their taxes to do it.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:16 PM
 
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[quote=Memphis1979;23016189]Well that would greatly depend on what it was replaced with, now wouldn't it?

Dumb question "Do you like income tax?" Who in their right mind would say yes?

Now, asking "Do you like this program, and that program, and do you think providing this government service at the current levels?" Those are much more relevant questions. And, if you tell the person they are paid for by income tax, well, it might change someones mind.

See how these whole "yes or no" questions really mislead people?

I personally favor 1 federal flat tax. Any income over 40,000 dollars gets taxed at the exact same tax rate, 0 corporate taxes. [quote]


some good points. interesting thought on 0 corporate taxes. i'll add something to that...

just like the proverbial phrase "a captain goes down with the ship", all corporate BOD's and the top 3-5 levels of executive management, etc, etc (could also add the majority shareholders) are to be held personally liable for any and all corporate malfeasance, criminal and civil illegalities, environmental pollution (think superfund sites), etc, etc

the latter comes right out of the taxpayers pocket while the corporations file BK's and the millionaires walk away scott free...and the workers have lost their jobs.
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:58 PM
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Well that would greatly depend on what it was replaced with, now wouldn't it?

Dumb question "Do you like income tax?" Who in their right mind would say yes?

Now, asking "Do you like this program, and that program, and do you think providing this government service at the current levels?" Those are much more relevant questions. And, if you tell the person they are paid for by income tax, well, it might change someones mind.

See how these whole "yes or no" questions really mislead people?

I personally favor 1 federal flat tax. Any income over 40,000 dollars gets taxed at the exact same tax rate, 0 corporate taxes.

If the government spends more money, fine, but tell the American people how much you plan on raising their taxes to do it.
Sooooo....

If the income tax were abolished would you protest?
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:02 PM
 
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Powers not granted to the Feds are reserved by the states. So no federal tax, but the states would get ya. Some worse than others.

I wouldn't protest, but it's really not practical to think we can have zero taxation. We just need more equitable taxation. The rich pay too much.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:03 PM
 
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Powers not granted to the Feds are reserved by the states. So no federal tax, but the states would get ya. Some worse than others.
The federal government can tax anything they want to tax, they have all the power in the world to do that constitutionally.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:05 PM
 
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The federal government can tax anything they want to tax, they have all the power in the world to do that constitutionally.
And so can the states.
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Old 02-16-2012, 10:06 PM
 
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And so can the states.
Yep.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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I would not protest. In fact I question if it was really ratified. It is the one amendment I think had no validity and was only pushed through improperly.

It should be repealed and the IRS ended. We need other means to tax and stop wasting all this energy with tax forms. Imagine the forests used to deal with taxes.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:03 AM
 
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Sooooo....

If the income tax were abolished would you protest?
No I would not be able to protest,I would have a heart attack.
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