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Old 02-18-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Iranians, in many aspects, seem like reasonable people. Why not just Westernize?

The girl at the end of this video is awfully cute.


How To Find Love In Tehran - YouTube
Yes,MANY ME woman are SMOKING hot,but why "westernize" a sovereign nation and exactly wtf do you me by that anyway?
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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But that's not what Clinton said about nation building in Haiti.
Haiti? That's odd. What's that all about?

It's not what Clinton said about Bosnia either. Or not what Bush 1 thought about Kuwait and Somalia.

So what's the point?

Why are you singling out Haiti....that happens to be in our own hemisphere?
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Old 02-18-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Dubai
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Mohammed and the moon god are right out of the Arab religion. Persians had other religions, such as Zorasterism before the Arabs overran them and forced them into Islam and worship of the Moon-god.

The very notion of women driving cars and selecting their own dates is as western as it can be.
Very true . Don't forget that Jesus was white American , Abraham was Nordic , Jacob was Indian , Bethlehm is in Japan , Nazareth is full of Australians , Jordan river is in Brazil , not that called Amazaon . Mary is the African version of Sarah Palin . the only difference is that the late lost her virginity probably at 14 .
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Old 02-18-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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Not if it means looking like JOE BLOW, and every other "same old same old" American. If Westernize means to be less of a hardliner, well, we have a lot of hardliners in our government. Feeling less afraid to be ones SELF would be a good thing. Being able to be GAY without being killed would be great. Being able to wear a veil because you FEEL like it, and not because you have to, would be great, as long as security measures are followed at airports, etc.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:17 PM
 
Location: USA
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Ummmm, no.
Why not let people be who they choose to be?

Oh yeah, US, they're number 1.
In teen births in developed nations; no. 19 in education.
No. 28 in health care.

You believe your own publicity campaigns.
Funny, sad but funny.
Never said the US. Any western country has immigrants lined up in mass.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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That's what happens when you try to Westernize countries that don't want to be Westernized. People should be allowed to govern themselves according to how they see fit. Haven't you ever wondered why the US has been banned from buying Iranian oil? Maybe if we allowed Iran to take 50% of profits FROM THEIR OWN OIL, instead of overthrowing them, we'd be happily buying oil from Iran today and only be paying $2.50 for a gallon of gas.

Norman Schwarzkopf Sr.
^^this;

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We did westernize Iran with a government that we set up for them. Learn your history. The only problem is that the puppet government the British and US set up for Iran in the 50s started torturing their own people with methods they learned from Schwartzkopf, jailed thousands of civilians for no reason at all, and reigned down terror upon their people with a police force that was akin to the Nazi SS. So before you wonder why Iran is hostile towards western influence and interests, take a walk in their shoes. How would you feel if a foreign government came into our country, corrupted our government and way of life, and setup an oppressive regime that tortured, killed, or jailed thousands of our civilians?
^^ and this;

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It is called Operation Ajax. However, many Americans are ignorant of the fact that Iran tried to Westernize on their own by being the first Middle East country to hold a democratically election that resulted in a freedom, loving secularist.

However, Mossadegh didn't care for the British oil companies who were raping his home country. After all, Britain was living high off the hog, while Iranians were receiving wages to support Western opulence. So, he decided to nationalize that oil companies.

However, Churchill didn't like this so he rallied up the aid of the Americans (Eisenhower) and the CIA to overthrow the freedom loving Mossadegh and install a puppet regime. This puppet regime consisted of the Shah. The Shah was backed by the SAVAK, who were the Iranian secret police that tortured political dissenters using Nazi torture tactics taught to them by the CIA and Mossad.

After decades of oppression by the Shah, the SAVAK, and "freedom" loving Western countries, Iranians decided to overthrow their government in 1979 from the same embassy that the CIA/Mossad planned the coup of Mossadegh.

The moral of the story: Iran was westernizing until American ****ed it up.
^^and this.

It's amazing how few schools teach what really went on over there.

Here's an interesting article about Jews living in Iran:

It is dawn in the Yusufabad synagogue in Tehran and Iranian Jews bring out the Torah and read the ancient text before making their way to work.
It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.
"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.
He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.


BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews

Now, before anyone accuses me of being an apologist for the leaders of Iran, know that I condemn them fully. I am simply trying to illustrate that the truth usually falls somewhere in between what we are told and what really takes place.
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: USA
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^^this;



^^ and this;



^^and this.

It's amazing how few schools teach what really went on over there.

Here's an interesting article about Jews living in Iran:

It is dawn in the Yusufabad synagogue in Tehran and Iranian Jews bring out the Torah and read the ancient text before making their way to work.
It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.
"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.
He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran's proud but discreet Jews

Now, before anyone accuses me of being an apologist for the leaders of Iran, know that I condemn them fully. I am simply trying to illustrate that the truth usually falls somewhere in between what we are told and what really takes place.
There's a reason why theres only 30,000 of them left in Iran and it's not because they are living there with freedoms of an equivalent Muslim enjoys. This is a shame considering Jews were in Persia long before Islam.
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Old 02-21-2012, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Iranians, in many aspects, seem like reasonable people. Why not just Westernize?
Iran was quite "westernized" before the right wingers took over. The perfect illustration of why theocratic "conservatism" ought to be kept out of governance. One could argue the same for Afghanistan as well (before Taliban got its hands on it).
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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You could be describing the US with your second paragraph that I quoted above.
There are super-conservative people with strong ties to their military and religious leaders.

And the US is being led by people who hate the middle east.
Excellent post! And the US leaders are trying to use the middle east boogyman to scare the citizens into thinking we need to constantly be attacking middle eastern nations to prevent some fantasy attack on our soil. Our leadership in many ways is no better than theirs-we just happen to have more money and firepower putting us on top of the pack, so to speak. Very sad.
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